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Spirituality

Spirituality

  1. 02 Mar '05 09:35
    So, we have a new forum...

    Okay to kick us off, would anyone care to discuss the differences between having religion and having spirituality?
  2. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    02 Mar '05 09:48
    Originally posted by Starrman
    So, we have a new forum...

    Okay to kick us off, would anyone care to discuss the differences between having religion and having spirituality?
    Spirituality is basically getting drunk on heavy booze isn't it?

    Anyway, I certainly hope some of the religious debating will move from the debates forum over to this one.

  3. 02 Mar '05 09:56
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Spirituality is basically getting drunk on heavy booze isn't it?

    Anyway, I certainly hope some of the religious debating will move from the debates forum over to this one.

    I wonder if Russ can cut and paste the threads in question....
  4. Standard member Mayharm
    the Mad
    02 Mar '05 10:34
    Originally posted by Starrman
    I wonder if Russ can cut and paste the threads in question....
    I dont hear enough fervour in your voice...you are praying for russ to do this are you not? It would be a shame for these first few posts to turn away from the purpose for which the forum was created

    MÅ¥HÅRM
  5. Standard member Mayharm
    the Mad
    02 Mar '05 11:19
    Originally posted by Starrman
    So, we have a new forum...

    Okay to kick us off, would anyone care to discuss the differences between having religion and having spirituality?
    One is an organised group form of the other...?

    I would think spirituality sort of covers both, but that religion is any instance of someone not relying on their own self-judgement to provide spiritual guidance.

    MÅ¥HÅRM
  6. 02 Mar '05 11:37
    Originally posted by Mayharm
    One is an organised group form of the other...?

    I would think spirituality sort of covers both, but that religion is any instance of someone not relying on their own self-judgement to provide spiritual guidance.

    MÅ¥HÅRM
    So religion is being told what to do and spirituality is finding out what you're supposed to be doing? I guess that makes a certain sense, I know a lot of people who talk about spirituality and journey in the same sentence. Is religion then a destination as it were?
  7. Standard member Mayharm
    the Mad
    02 Mar '05 11:57
    Originally posted by Starrman
    So religion is being told what to do and spirituality is finding out what you're supposed to be doing? I guess that makes a certain sense, I know a lot of people who talk about spirituality and journey in the same sentence. Is religion then a destination as it were?
    You being pesky deliberatly? <grumble>

    No it's not about being told what to do, it's about where you seek your guidance from. It's the difference between being shown a way, and finding your own.

    Buddhism (tibetan), for example, teaches that there are many ways of reaching enlightenment. Christianity teaches that there is but one way, through god (though they call it "state of grace" or something dont they?). You either choose to accept the "way" your creed provides or you dont, no one can tell you to do it.

    MÅ¥HÅRM
  8. 02 Mar '05 12:36
    I've always seen spirituality as feeling/communicating with divinity. This can be achieved through Religion. Religion is the organizing of people to try and achieve spirituality together.

    Religions, as a public organization, will change over time (decades) to match social influences. Spirituality, as an individual affair, will change over time (years) to fit personal needs.
  9. Standard member Hand of Hecate
    Merciless Vagabond
    02 Mar '05 12:43
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Spirituality is basically getting drunk on heavy booze isn't it?

    Anyway, I certainly hope some of the religious debating will move from the debates forum over to this one.

    I beg to differ... I frequently find religion at 3am after binge drinking. Worshipping the porcelain god.
  10. 02 Mar '05 12:45
    Originally posted by Mayharm
    You being pesky deliberatly? <grumble>

    No it's not about being told what to do, it's about where you seek your guidance from. It's the difference between being shown [b]a
    way, and finding your own.

    Buddhism (tibetan), for example, teaches that there are many ways of reaching enlightenment. Christianity teaches that there is but one way, throu ...[text shortened]... ept the "way" your creed provides or you dont, no one can tell you to do it.

    MÅ¥HÅRM[/b]
    You're right, I was having a 'scooby-doo villain' moment. I could counter with the supression of free will as part of most religious indoctrination, but I shall refrain, I wanted to talk more about spirituality than religion.
  11. Donation kirksey957
    Outkast
    02 Mar '05 12:58
    Originally posted by Starrman
    So, we have a new forum...

    Okay to kick us off, would anyone care to discuss the differences between having religion and having spirituality?
    The answer is simple. Religion is for those who fear hell. Spirituality is for those who have been there.
  12. Standard member Darfius
    The Apologist
    02 Mar '05 15:29
    Originally posted by Starrman
    You're right, I was having a 'scooby-doo villain' moment. I could counter with the supression of free will as part of most religious indoctrination, but I shall refrain, I wanted to talk more about spirituality than religion.
    Well, you did comment about it. And I have plenty of free will. More so than you, actually, since you are bound by sin.
  13. Standard member Darfius
    The Apologist
    02 Mar '05 15:30
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    The answer is simple. Religion is for those who fear hell. Spirituality is for those who have been there.
    Guess what, kirk, I don't fear hell. That pretty much null and voids your theory, eh?

    Spirituality is for aspiring actresses and college students. Religion is for people who realize that something can't come from nothing.
  14. Standard member Mayharm
    the Mad
    02 Mar '05 15:39
    Originally posted by Darfius
    Spirituality is for aspiring actresses and college students. Religion is for people who realize that something can't come from nothing.
    If, as I stated, spirituality is a self-guided path to enlightenment/grace/whatever you are implying there is no soul inherent inside us. Or to put it another way, we cant find god by ourselves, we have to be led, presumably by the church...

    You dont happen to be a time traveller from before the dark ages do you?

    MÅ¥HÅRM
  15. Standard member Darfius
    The Apologist
    02 Mar '05 15:45
    Originally posted by Mayharm
    If, as I stated, spirituality is a self-guided path to enlightenment/grace/whatever you are implying there is no soul inherent inside us. Or to put it another way, we cant find god by ourselves, we have to be led, presumably by the church...

    You dont happen to be a time traveller from before the dark ages do you?

    MÅ¥HÅRM
    You don't need the church. You need God and the Bible.