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Originally posted by Proper Knobyes but it does nothing to provide any evidence for the claim that there is no God, which is really the issue, are you or are you not making that claim?
Can you please read what I write and follow the thread accordingly. I'm making a specific claim with regard to the literal God of the Bible you believe exists. I'm not making a claim for every single definition of God that exists.
Again, I made specific reference to some key points with regard to a literal interpretation of the Bible creation story an ...[text shortened]... r your good self to peruse over, but knowing your past history it would be a waste of my time.
Originally posted by Proper Knobno, it does not, even if i read all the biology text books in the galaxy, i may still come to the conclusion that there is evidence of design. I would still see harmony, beauty and function, would I not?
It backs up my claim that you only see design because you wilfully refuse to educate yourself in the literature which explains how these processes occur by natural means.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt is my belief that the God you believe in ie, the literal fundamentalist God of the Bible, does not exist. I have provided reasons why I think this is the case. I'm not sure what else you want me to say.
yes but it does nothing to provide any evidence for the claim that there is no God, which is really the issue, are you or are you not making that claim?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieLet's find out. PM me your address and I'll get some in the post to you tomorrow. 🙂
no, it does not, even if i read all the biology text books in the galaxy, i may still come to the conclusion that there is evidence of design. I would still see harmony, beauty and function, would I not?
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Originally posted by Proper Knobyes you have, but it does not constitute any kind of proof, its simply a personal belief that you have based on an evaluation of certain Biblical passages. It may be proof of the lack of integrity of the Biblical account, or evidence of the disparity between the Biblical account and evolutionary biology, buts its not evidence for the non existence of God, is it.
It is my belief that the God you believe in ie, the literal fundamentalist God of the Bible, does not exist. I have provided reasons why I think this is the case. I'm not sure what else you want me to say.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieyouve mentioned beauty a few times. why is beauty evidence?
no, it does not, even if i read all the biology text books in the galaxy, i may still come to the conclusion that there is evidence of design. I would still see harmony, beauty and function, would I not?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's evidence for the non existence of a literal God. Now if you want to say that the Genesis account is allegorical and not literal, then my stance would change and I would say I still don't believe this God exists but I wouldn't state for certain.
yes you have, but it does not constitute any kind of proof, its simply a personal belief that you have based on an evaluation of certain Biblical passages. It may be proof of the lack of integrity of the Biblical account, or evidence of the disparity between the Biblical account and evolutionary biology, buts its not evidence for the non existence of God, is it.
Originally posted by stellspalfieI am not saying that beauty is evidence for the existence of God, although i could probably make some kind of argument on the basis that its superfluous to survival and thus an enigma which demands a reason for its existence, what I am saying is that when we examine the physical world we can draw inferences about the personality behind the design, in much the same way that we can draw inferences about the artist from a study of his work. Beauty is astonishing, we connect with it, it fills our senses and can leave us speechless and in awe. Why should it do that if its superfluous to survival? I can infer that the designer of all living things has incorporated it to provide enjoyment, you can of course deny it, but you cannot prove that its not beautiful and that i should or cannot draw inferences from the existence of beauty.
youve mentioned beauty a few times. why is beauty evidence?
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Originally posted by Proper KnobNo its not, its evidence of nothing of the sort, its a personal testimony that you do not believe the biblical account.
It's evidence for the non existence of a literal God. Now if you want to say that the Genesis account is allegorical and not literal, then my stance would change and I would say I still don't believe this God exists but I wouldn't state for certain.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt would seem then our positions are equivalent .Time will show which is the most persuasive and gains general acceptance.Do you see religious thinking as an increasing or declining force historically ?
Yes of course there is a possibility, I have acknowledged that already, but we are concerned, not with what is plausible, but what is true. So you have no evidence, that is fine, its an unsubstantiated personal belief and no more than that. Fine i can accept that.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRobbie, I want to ask you a question.
No its not, its evidence of nothing of the sort, its evidence that you do not believe the Biblical account.
Apparently the HQ of the Watchtower
is in Brooklyn New York. But the percentage
of Jehovah's Witnesses in the USA is 0.7%
The total number of Jehovah's Witnesses
worldwide is seven and a half million people
and falling dramatically.
That is a very small number when you consider
that the population of the whole planet is over
six billion people.
Does it worry you at all that your group is so small
and that its numbers are declining?
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Originally posted by johnnylongwoodyjohnny i dont know where you get your information from, but its not accurate me thinks, first of all we are moving or have moved from Brooklyn and are now stationed in Patterson, or up-state New York
Robbie, I want to ask you a question.
Apparently the HQ of the Watchtower
is in Brooklyn New York. But the percentage
of Jehovah's Witnesses in the USA is 0.7%
The total number of Jehovah's Witnesses
worldwide is seven and a half million people
and falling dramatically.
That is a very small number when you consider
that the population ...[text shortened]... .
Does it worry you at all that your group is so small
and that its numbers are declining?
i do not accept that we are declining, i dont know who told you that, and no, it does not bother me at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses
Originally posted by OdBodargumentum ad populum is no basis for establishing the credulity or otherwise of a particular stance. It depends where you are, but certainly i think the world shall become more and more secular.
It would seem then our positions are equivalent .Time will show which is the most persuasive and gains general acceptance.Do you see religious thinking as an increasing or declining force historically ?