You cannot provide one reference where Jesus says to worship him
I have provided several where Jesus said to worship God.
The wise man will learn from that.
Wise men who are in love with Christ will overflow with worship to Him regardless of how you shift the goal post around.
In none of the ten examples did Christ rebuke, adjust, correct, scold, or discourage the worship of Him. All this worship was done out of love for God.
He often took a submissive role towards both His Father and man whom He came to serve.
"Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and to give His life as a ransom for many." (Matt. 20:28)
So men worship Him as the Slave of God Who is also the King of kings.
And no man can say "Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit"
"Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking in the Spirit of God says, Jesus is accursed; and no one can say, Jesus is Lord ! except in the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor. 12:3)
Everything done in the Holy Spirit is a kind of worship. And Jesus said the hour comes when the true worshippers will worship the Father is spirit and in truthfulness. (John 4:23)
Since God is triune the worship of the Father is the worship of Christ and the worship of Christ is the worship of the Father.
"Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who confesses the Son has the Father also." (1 John 2:23)
@sonship saidAgain:
@Rajk999
You cannot provide one reference where Jesus says to worship him
I have provided several where Jesus said to worship God.
The wise man will learn from that.
Wise men who are in love with Christ will overflow with worship to Him regardless of how you shift the goal post around.
In none of the ten examples did Christ rebuke, ad ...[text shortened]... n does not have the Father either; he who confesses the Son has the Father also." (1 John 2:23) [/b]
You cannot provide one reference where Jesus says to worship him
I have provided several where Jesus said to worship God.
The wise man will learn from that.
Plus Jesus defined what a wise man does.
You are way off the mark.
@Rajk999
If you don't want to worship the Son that's your sad affair.
I will join the ten who worshipped Him.
I will join the ten thousands and thousands and thousands who render highest praise to God and the Lamb in Revelation 5.
" . . . Worthy is the LAMB who has been slain to receive
the power
and riches
and wisdom
and strength
and honor
and glory
and blessing.
And EVERY CREATURE which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea and all things in them, I heard saying,
To Him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb
(Again)
To Him who sits upon the throne AND TO THE LAMB (He who said the Father is greater than I)
be the blessing
and the honor
and the glory
and the might
forever and ever.
And the four living creatures did NOT say "Hey, wait a minute. We better get permission from Rajk999 first, before we worship the Lamb along with God on the throne."
No they didn't say that.
And the four living creatures said, AMEN. And the elders fell down and worshipped." (See Rev.5:12-14)
@sonship saidWhat is sad is that you have a history of openly ignoring and condemning the teachings of Christ, so your mouth worship of Christ, is well into the category of hypocritical.
@Rajk999
If you don't want to worship the Son that's your sad affair.
I will join the ten who worshipped Him.
I will join the ten thousands and thousands and thousands who render highest praise to God and the Lamb in Revelation 5.
Also any one who can read for themselves will see, as I mentioned before that the Rev 5 passage is saying that it is the one sitting on the throne who lives for ever and ever is the one that is worshipped. The Lamb stands apart from this one on the throne... this is God, the Father of Jesus Christ, that is worshipped.
@sonship saidWhy did you not quote the passage. You are a lying deceitful piece of garbage.
@Rajk999
" To Him who sits upon the throne AND TO THE LAMB . . . "
The word 'worship' appears twice in Rev 4 and 5 and it is only applied to the one who sits on the throne that lives for ever and ever which is God, the Father Here are the references ... see how I quote exactly what the bible says:
Rev_4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev_5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
Worship is NOT stated here applying to the Lamb - Jesus Christ .
@Rajk999
Wrong.
TO . . .
TO who ?
"TO Him who sits upon the throne AND [TO] the Lamb BE etc. etc. etc."
The fact that they say "WORTHY is the Lamb" (v.12) establishes that HE TOO is qualified to receive the universal adoration.
Not "unworthy" but "WORTHY".
Not "To Him who sits upon the throne and NOT to the Lamb" but
"To Him who sits upon the throne AND TO THE LAMB . . . "
In 4:11 the Creator upon the throne receives glory.
In 5:13 the Lamb also receives glory.
In 4:11 the Creator upon the throne receives honor.
In 5:13 the Lamb also receives honor.
In 4:11 the Creator upon the throne receives power.
In 5:13 the Lamb receives might.
In 4:11 this worship is forever and ever for the Creator lives forever and ever.
In 5:13 the Lamb is to receive the adoration forever and ever.
This is the universal praise to the Triune God.
I received chips with my tea last night; my son received chips with his too.
My son had a bottle of hobgoblin to drink; I had a bottle if hobgoblin too.
I took the dog out for walk yesterday; my son took the dog out for a walk too.
I steamed the bathroom up yesterday; my son steamed the bathroom out too.
Are we to conclude that my son and I are the same person to ? No, because although we do similar things and have near identical traits, that doesn’t make us the same person. I am older and wiser than him.
@Rajk999
I just told you something correct.
The adoration, worship, praise of all creation is seen going to God who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb.
He, the Lamb who said "the Father is greater than I" is WORTHY.
"Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb who has been slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and blessing."
Read it for yourself in Revelation 5:12 and do not have an evil heart of unbelief.
@sonship saidIt must be a very stupid man who calls people evil for simply not accepting their false doctrines, or calling my disagreement with you 'unbelief'. You are a fool, trying to draw people away from Christ. That is one of the ploys Satan will use to get the gullible to conform.
@Rajk999
I just told you something correct.
The adoration, worship, praise of all creation is seen going to God who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb.
He, the Lamb who said "the Father is greater than I" is WORTHY.
"Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb who has been slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and ...[text shortened]...
Read it for yourself in Revelation 5:12 and do not have an evil heart of unbelief.
The Lamb is worthy to receive -
power
riches
wisdom
strength
honour
glory
blessing.
The man who can read will see that the word 'worship is not in the list. The word worship is used only for God. Added to that is the simple fact that nowhere will you find Jesus telling people to worship him
There is NOTHING in ALL of your preaching in the last decade that makes sense, neither is it the doctrine of Christ. All of it is nonsense from the teachings of men.
The Lamb is worthy to receive -
power
riches
wisdom
strength
honour
glory
blessing.
That is Revelation 5:12.
And to both the One on the throne "and to the Lamb"
blessing
honor
glory
might
That is verse 13.
And to the One who sits upon the throne in Rev. 4:11 is
glory
honor
power.
To the Lamb who releases men from their sins in His own blood go -
glory
might That is Rev. 1:6
To God in 19:1 go
salvation
glory
power
Jude 25
"To the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord be
glory,
majesty,
might,
and authority before all time and now and unto all eternity. Amen"
Compare also with the what is given to one like "the Son of Man" in Daniel 7:13,14.
"I watched in the night visions,
And there with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming;
And they brought Him near before Him [the Ancient of Days]
And to Him was given
dominion,
glory,
and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations, and languages might serve Him.
His dominion is an eternal dominion,
Which will not pass away;
and His kingdom is one that will not be destroyed." (Dan. 7:13,14)
This is the same Son of Man who said "the Father is greater than I"
@sonship saidLook at how you are shamelessly struggling on a point that Jesus said nothing about.
I watched in the night visions,
And there with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming;
And they brought Him near before Him[/b] [the Ancient of Days]
And to Him was given
dominion,
glory,
and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations, and languages might serve Him.
His dominion is an eternal dominion,
Which will not pass away;
and His king 7:13,14)
This is the same [b] Son of Man who said "the Father is greater than I"
@Rajk999
I am not struggling.
And I have no shame in the truth.
Jesus said all may honor the Son even as they honor the Father.
If the Son is honored with worship the Father is to be honored with worship.
In order that all may honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. (John 5:23)
So you refusing to honor the Son of God with worship mean you do not honor the Father who sent Him.
The struggling and the shame are yours who does not worship the Son and so does not honor with worship the Father Who sent Him
@sonship saidWhat a bunch of hypocritical mouth worshipping nonsense.
@Rajk999
I am not struggling.
And I have no shame in the truth.
Jesus said all may honor the Son even as they honor the Father.
If the Son is honored with worship the Father is to be honored with worship.
[b]In order that all may honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. (John 5: ...[text shortened]... me are yours who does not worship the Son and so does not honor with worship the Father Who sent Him