Originally posted by Jake Ellison
'I believe that logic can't say that there is GOD as Quran say. If I can do that without Quran then there is no need for it.'
Didn't quite understand the first part of that. Could you rephrase?
Logic will say nothing of a being. You can't attribute even so much as awareness. Even then its existance would not necessarily be controlled by the laws o ...[text shortened]... to have been spoken to by God, why would any religious person consider them invalid?
Didn't quite understand the first part of that. Could you rephrase?
Quran tell us a lot of attributes about GOD, how did he created everything and why? What he wants from us, and so on,
For example it tell me that his name is Allah, he knows everything, he is able to do anything, and many more.
My phrase was to say that logic can't lead to all of that. It could only lead to some part of it. If I can do that with logic alone, there will be no need for any book or message.
Logic will say nothing of a being.
I mean my logic, which you might agree with or not. May be the word being is not accurate, but what I say it tell me that there is some sort of existance outside the universe, nothing more.
You can't attribute even so much as awareness. Even then its existance would not necessarily be controlled by the laws of our existance as we know nothing of its existance. So far people have just made things up that can't be traced logically.
I'm talking only about things that could be traced logically. If it doesn't logically flow then I will not accept the same way as you do.
Why so many religions?
Of course I will talk from an Islamic point of view..
I believe that there is only one religion , because GOD is one, so if he has a message to tell us then it will be the same one forever.
So there is only one religion that represent the message the GOD wants. All other religions are human made, and are a variation from the original religion.
Are you saying they are all true?
no, they can't be true, if there is only one GOD , there will be only one message.
When I say 'why ignore them' I mean why do you ignore prophets of other religions?
Who said we ignore other prophets. All Muslims in all the world believe in all known prophets, that we are sure they came from GOD. Many of them are named in Quran, and other not.
I believe in Jesus, David,Mosses , Ezak, Jacob , and Ibraham.
They too claim to have been spoken to by God, why would any religious person consider them invalid?
To make the idea clear to you:
GOD are contacting us from the begining through prophets.
In old days communication between different regions on earth was diffecult. And different nations were formed in different places on earth.
For every nation GOD sent a prophet telling them his message.
The message for each nation contains two parts:
1- Faith. That there is a GOD , only one, and we have to worship him. And that part never change, and is the same for every nation.
2- Law. That control the relation between individuals in the community as GOD see the best. The basic components of this part are the same. There might be some differences from one nation to the other.
Because of human nature, and because power, money or similar factors, people start to forget, modify , or ignore the message.
Every time this happen, GOD sent another prophet to remind people with the message.
When a new prophet comes, people reaction could be one of two:
1- follow him and return to the original message.
2- Ignore him and stick with their older modifed message wich is not from GOD.
Given that this could happen in different places , so many religions are formed.
You can see that clearly in the relation between the prophets Mohammed , Jesus and Mosses.
If you check the original message of Mosses and Jesus and compare it to the message of prophet Mohammed you will find it the same.
Faith is the same, GOD is one worship him
Law: If you compare the law of mosses (or what remains from it) and the Islamic law you will find it almost the same (Jesus came with small modification to Mosses law , so he don't have a new law).
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I hope that I answered you questions.
They too claim to have been spoken to by God, why would any religious person consider them invalid?