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    Does he have a moral right to govern?
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    Originally posted by OdBod
    Does he have a moral right to govern?
    He won the election which is what counts.
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    Copied without permission from https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+13&version=ESV

    Paul's Epistle to the Romans chapter 13, written during the reign of Caesar Nero -


    Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

    8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

    11 Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. 12 The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light. 13 Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

    English Standard Version (ESV)

    The Holy Bible, English Standard Version Copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a division of Good News Publishers.
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    26 Jan '15 20:05
    Originally posted by OdBod
    Does he have a moral right to govern?
    As much moral right or more than any believer in the supernatural.
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    26 Jan '15 23:16
    Originally posted by OdBod
    Does he have a moral right to govern?
    We have moral rights?

    Based on what?
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    So the Greek Prime Minister doesn't believe in Zeus? Blasphemy.
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    Originally posted by vivify
    So the Greek Prime Minister doesn't believe in Zeus? Blasphemy.
    It's that he's not a believer in Mammon that has the markets upset.
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    Originally posted by OdBod
    Does he have a moral right to govern?
    Very interesting. Thanks for the info.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/26/europe/greece-elections/index.html
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    27 Jan '15 12:00
    Originally posted by OdBod
    Does he have a moral right to govern?
    Are "morals" exclusive to theists?
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    27 Jan '15 12:12
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Are "morals" exclusive to theists?
    No, only 'moral rights'.
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    27 Jan '15 12:23
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    No, only 'moral rights'.
    I'm trying to think what a "moral right" is but can't seem to get it clear; is there such a thing?
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    27 Jan '15 14:15
    Originally posted by divegeester
    I'm trying to think what a "moral right" is but can't seem to get it clear; is there such a thing?
    Why do you all think it's any of your business what the PM of Greece thinks about religion?
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    Originally posted by divegeester
    I'm trying to think what a "moral right" is but can't seem to get it clear; is there such a thing?
    The poster of the OP, knows perfectly well that the Greek Prime Minister has a legal right to govern. What he is questioning is his 'moral right' to govern. Think of it as a set of 'moral laws' separate from the official legal system.
    The OP is not asking whether the Prime Minister has morals, but rather whether or not he is violating some 'moral law' by taking up the job whilst being Atheist.
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    27 Jan '15 16:42
    Government is better than no government.

    Good government is better than bad government.

    God's government is best of all.
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    27 Jan '15 18:35
    Originally posted by sonship
    Government is better than no government.

    Good government is better than bad government.

    God's government is best of all.
    It seems a large part of the Greek population disagree with you.
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