Originally posted by thesonofsaulWhat about "human nature" would prevent them from being able to function without maintaining their trust in any deities? I think mankind would mature quite a bit if they faced up to their radical freedom in the universe instead of looking in vain to some deity, or another, for all the answers. We no longer have any real need for any gods, messiahs, or ecclesiatical potentates.
Ah. My mistake. However, his perception of human maturity is still astounding.
Originally posted by rwingettWhat's really amazing is how many words you used here without clarifying your position. What prevents humanity from taking the stance you propose? Well, I don't really believe this, but a possible answer could be, well, um, immaturity.
What about "human nature" would prevent them from being able to function without maintaining their trust in any deities? I think mankind would mature quite a bit if they faced up to their radical freedom in the universe instead of looking in vain to some deity, or another, for all the answers. We no longer have any real need for any gods, messiahs, or ecclesiatical potentates.
Originally posted by thesonofsaulSo you think believing in an absurd deity is a sign of maturity? I would think quite the opposite.
What's really amazing is how many words you used here without clarifying your position. What prevents humanity from taking the stance you propose? Well, I don't really believe this, but a possible answer could be, well, um, immaturity.
Originally posted by rwingettThat's what I'm saying. Do you have your reverse glasses on again? We do, at least a majority of us do, believe in at least superstition, if not outright deities. This is a possible sign if immaturity. The real signs of immaturity of course are wars, violence, selfishness, deceit, mistrust, etc.
So you think believing in an absurd deity is a sign of maturity? I would think quite the opposite.
Just to recap, I am saying that humanity is immature, and you are saying that humanity is mature. If you don't believe this, then you had best issue a retraction of your first post here.
Originally posted by thesonofsaulI am saying that humanity is mature enough not to have any need for any deities. Whether their collective maturity could use any improvement, or not, is another story.
That's what I'm saying. Do you have your reverse glasses on again? We do, at least a majority of us do, believe in at least superstition, if not outright deities. This is a possible sign if immaturity. The real signs of immaturity of course are wars, violence, selfishness, deceit, mistrust, etc.
Just to recap, I am saying that humanity is imma ...[text shortened]... ture. If you don't believe this, then you had best issue a retraction of your first post here.
Originally posted by HalitoseHow did we go from messiahs to "any type of leadership"? I specifically mentioned "gods, messiahs, and ecclesiastical potentates." I had not called for the removal of all leaders (at least not in this post). But as it happens, being partial to anarchism, I think mankind could do just fine without any leaders.
Would human maturity dispel the need for any type of leadership?
Originally posted by rwingettWell, I had deduced from messiahs (and the entailed spiritual leadership) that this could be applied to political figureheads too.
How did we go from messiahs to "any type of leadership"? I specifically mentioned "gods, messiahs, and ecclesiastical potentates." I had not called for the removal of all leaders (at least not in this post). But as it happens, being partial to anarchism, I think mankind could do just fine without any leaders.
Anarchism? Do you think without rigid enforcement of justice and the rule of law (which requires some form of hierarchy), humanity would live in tranquility and prosperity?
Originally posted by rwingettBut if we had matured to that point, we would all become either Wobblies or stinking Capitalists.
What about "human nature" would prevent them from being able to function without maintaining their trust in any deities? I think mankind would mature quite a bit if they faced up to their radical freedom in the universe instead of looking in vain to some deity, or another, for all the answers. We no longer have any real need for any gods, messiahs, or ecclesiatical potentates.
Originally posted by HalitoseI don't think we need a hierarchical system to have order and justice. Of course mankind will likely never live in tranquility (prosperity, perhaps, but tranquility is a stretch). But preventing someone from commiting murder does not require a hierarchy. Anarchism is not the freedom to do whatever you want, free from any constraints.
Well, I had deduced from messiahs (and the entailed spiritual leadership) that this could be applied to political figureheads too.
Anarchism? Do you think without rigid enforcement of justice and the rule of law (which requires some form of hierarchy), humanity would live in tranquility and prosperity?