The Origin of Life

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Sure: it's possible that I have experienced a frontal lobotomy. Taking that as a given, however, how would you explain the apparent dichotomy?
Would you say the acknowledged great minds of the past two thousand years who recognized Jesus Christ as Lord and Creator all experienced frontal lobotomies? Or, is it just us morons here?
Perhaps I am just an i ...[text shortened]... hrist, and continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.
Cool: I'm an idiot, then.

Don't worry though Freaky, you're all just (admittedly persistant) figments of my imagination anyway.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
You jump to a conclusion with a slight gap.

What?

Originally posted by dj2becker
And there is not an element of faith required to believe this?

I don't know. I still don't understand what the word "faith" means. It's not a word I use and I don't know what it means.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I don't know. I still don't understand what the word "faith" means. It's not a word I use and I don't know what it means.

Believing in something that you havn't seen is faith.

I have faith believing in God and special Creation.

You have faith believing in Abiogenisis and Macroevolution.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Believing in something that you havn't seen is faith.

I have faith believing in God and special Creation.

You have faith believing in Abiogenisis and Macroevolution.

So, my belief that you exist is based on faith?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Believing in something that you havn't seen is faith.

I have faith believing in God and special Creation.

You have faith believing in Abiogenisis and Macroevolution.

I believe it was William Payne Alston who first pointed out the circularity of our reasons for faith when he said:

"I've got to have faith, because I got to have faith, faith, faith, because I've got to have faith-a-faith-a-faith."

[EDIT: Of course I could be confusing him with someone else...]

Originally posted by bbarr
So, my belief that you exist is based on faith?

You require faith to believe that dj2becker exists. I could be "Windpomp Koekemoer"...

Originally posted by dj2becker
You require faith to believe that dj2becker exists. I could be "Windpomp Koekemoer"...

So, it is a matter of faith whether electrons exist, because nobody has ever directly observed an electron. What a strange notion!

Originally posted by dj2becker
Believing in something that you havn't seen is faith.

I have faith believing in God and special Creation.

You have faith believing in Abiogenisis and Macroevolution.

Seeing or not seeing something has nothing to do with belief or faith. Seeing is not direct evidence of existance nor is it the only way of verifying existance. Faith in God who is almost by definition imposible to see, is very different from accepting as fact Macroevolution which has left behind so much visible evidence as to be indistingishable from anything else you might see.

Originally posted by bbarr
So, it is a matter of faith whether electrons exist, because nobody has ever directly observed an electron. What a strange notion!

And also whether or not dj's own paragon of humanity exists: Jesus

Originally posted by bbarr
So, it is a matter of faith whether electrons exist, because nobody has ever directly observed an electron. What a strange notion!

To a degree I'd say.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Seeing or not seeing something has nothing to do with belief or faith. Seeing is not direct evidence of existance nor is it the only way of verifying existance. Faith in God who is almost by definition imposible to see, is very different from accepting as fact Macroevolution which has left behind so much visible evidence as to be indistingishable from anything else you might see.

It is possible to know God, to feel His presence and to see His daily working, yet macro-evolution has never been observed. So yes, a belief in macroevolution requires more faith than a belief in God.

Originally posted by dj2becker
To a degree I'd say.

So, as a matter of fact, your belief that you are looking at a computer right now is based on faith, because you are not directly observing a computer, but merely light impacting your eyes.

Originally posted by dj2becker
It is possible to know God, to feel His presence and to see His daily working...

Since this is not direct observation, it doesn't lessen the degree of faith required to believe (according to your own criterion). Observing the effects of something is not the same as directly observing it.

Originally posted by bbarr
So, as a matter of fact, your belief that you are looking at a computer right now is based on faith, because you are not directly observing a computer, but merely light impacting your eyes.

How did you make that leap?

I think a computer and an electron have a degree difference, with regards to what you observe.