16 Sep 06
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Originally posted by David CYes. I read the story. I also read the speech. The guy is a supposed interllectual. He is surely aware of the sensitivities of the world Muslim community at this time. A simple change of emphasis in his speech would have left this as a non story. If he sincerely believed that his speech would not cause offence then he's too stupid to be pope.
I don't believe he called them anything. Did you read the story?
He has previous form in this area too.
16 Sep 06
Originally posted by aardvarkhomeFar be it from me to defend Benedict, but where should have the emphasis been placed in order to *not* twang the hypersensitive nerves of the Islamic world? Obviously, he is intelligent enough to know what he is doing or saying...the question is what does he hope to gain?
Yes. I read the story. I also read the speech. The guy is a supposed interllectual. He is surely aware of the sensitivities of the world Muslim community at this time. A simple change of emphasis in his speech would have left this as a non story. If he sincerely believed that his speech would not cause offence then he's too stupid to be pope.
He has previous form in this area too.
As for Arby's comment, do you think he called Muslims "sumbags [sic]"?
16 Sep 06
Originally posted by RBHILLNot even the RC Church claims that the Pope in infallible in all things, so to start out with a patent falsehood doesn't help your cause much. It makes you look ignorant, which is confirmed by the rest of your post. He also did apologize. 🙄
If he is infallible why then should he say sorry to the Muslims.
If he said they where sumbags then that is true if he is truly infallible.
16 Sep 06
Originally posted by RBHILLYou routinely demonstrate that Jesus is not in your heart when you:
If he is infallible why then should he say sorry to the Muslims.
If he said they where sumbags then that is true if he is truly infallible.
1) Perpetuate falsehoods;
2) Insult a religious tradition; and
3) Do not act penitent for your actions.
Remember, in St John's Gospel when Jesus spoke alone to the woman caught in adultery,
He said: I do not condemn you, go and, in the future, avoid this sin.
You continue to harangue the RCC unjustly by lying with intent about its teachings.
You are not avoiding this sin.
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17 Sep 06
Originally posted by RBHILLThe Pope is only infallible when he speaks "ex-cathedra". If the Pope gives a speech, pronounces a homily or a lecture he is not infallible. Therefore it is perfectly possible he will offer his apologies in case people felt offended by one of his statements.
If he is infallible why then should he say sorry to the Muslims.
If he said they where sumbags then that is true if he is truly infallible.
17 Sep 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeIvanhoe, don't waste your breath. I've pointed this out to him no fewer than
The Pope is only infallible when he speaks "ex-cathedra". If the Pope gives a speech, pronounces a homily or a lecture he is not infallible. Therefore it is perfectly possible he will offer his apologies in case people felt offended by one of his statements.
three times that I can recall, and a search of my posts to him will likely reveal
that I've done it more times.
He is just hateful to the RCC. It's one thing to criticize the Church when her
constituents err, or when one has an argument against her teachings. It's another
to knowingly, repeatedly, and spitefully iterate falsehoods about her.
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