1. Standard memberRBHILL
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    16 Sep '06 16:39
    If he is infallible why then should he say sorry to the Muslims.
    If he said they where sumbags then that is true if he is truly infallible.
  2. Standard memberDavid C
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    16 Sep '06 17:29
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    If he is infallible why then should he say sorry to the Muslims.
    If he said they where sumbags then that is true if he is truly infallible.
    I don't believe he called them anything. Did you read the story?
  3. Meddling with things
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    16 Sep '06 17:362 edits
    Originally posted by David C
    I don't believe he called them anything. Did you read the story?
    Yes. I read the story. I also read the speech. The guy is a supposed interllectual. He is surely aware of the sensitivities of the world Muslim community at this time. A simple change of emphasis in his speech would have left this as a non story. If he sincerely believed that his speech would not cause offence then he's too stupid to be pope.

    He has previous form in this area too.
  4. Standard memberDavid C
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    16 Sep '06 18:13
    Originally posted by aardvarkhome
    Yes. I read the story. I also read the speech. The guy is a supposed interllectual. He is surely aware of the sensitivities of the world Muslim community at this time. A simple change of emphasis in his speech would have left this as a non story. If he sincerely believed that his speech would not cause offence then he's too stupid to be pope.

    He has previous form in this area too.
    Far be it from me to defend Benedict, but where should have the emphasis been placed in order to *not* twang the hypersensitive nerves of the Islamic world? Obviously, he is intelligent enough to know what he is doing or saying...the question is what does he hope to gain?

    As for Arby's comment, do you think he called Muslims "sumbags [sic]"?
  5. Standard memberreader1107
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    16 Sep '06 18:36
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    If he is infallible why then should he say sorry to the Muslims.
    If he said they where sumbags then that is true if he is truly infallible.
    Not even the RC Church claims that the Pope in infallible in all things, so to start out with a patent falsehood doesn't help your cause much. It makes you look ignorant, which is confirmed by the rest of your post. He also did apologize. 🙄
  6. Standard memberNemesio
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    16 Sep '06 20:20
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    If he is infallible why then should he say sorry to the Muslims.
    If he said they where sumbags then that is true if he is truly infallible.
    You routinely demonstrate that Jesus is not in your heart when you:
    1) Perpetuate falsehoods;
    2) Insult a religious tradition; and
    3) Do not act penitent for your actions.

    Remember, in St John's Gospel when Jesus spoke alone to the woman caught in adultery,
    He said: I do not condemn you, go and, in the future, avoid this sin.

    You continue to harangue the RCC unjustly by lying with intent about its teachings.
    You are not avoiding this sin.

    Nemesio
  7. Territories Unknown
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    16 Sep '06 21:34
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    If he is infallible why then should he say sorry to the Muslims.
    If he said they where sumbags then that is true if he is truly infallible.
    The sumbag of the parts is greater than the sumbag of the whole?
  8. Felicific Forest
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    17 Sep '06 03:30
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    If he is infallible why then should he say sorry to the Muslims.
    If he said they where sumbags then that is true if he is truly infallible.
    The Pope is only infallible when he speaks "ex-cathedra". If the Pope gives a speech, pronounces a homily or a lecture he is not infallible. Therefore it is perfectly possible he will offer his apologies in case people felt offended by one of his statements.
  9. Standard memberNemesio
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    17 Sep '06 04:15
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    The Pope is only infallible when he speaks "ex-cathedra". If the Pope gives a speech, pronounces a homily or a lecture he is not infallible. Therefore it is perfectly possible he will offer his apologies in case people felt offended by one of his statements.
    Ivanhoe, don't waste your breath. I've pointed this out to him no fewer than
    three times that I can recall, and a search of my posts to him will likely reveal
    that I've done it more times.

    He is just hateful to the RCC. It's one thing to criticize the Church when her
    constituents err, or when one has an argument against her teachings. It's another
    to knowingly, repeatedly, and spitefully iterate falsehoods about her.

    Nemesio
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