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    Here are some Egyptian Muslims who want more Christians in government, because they're brother Egyptians and deserve to have their voice heard.

    http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-11/23/article01.shtml
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    06 Aug '08 20:14
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Here are some Egyptian Muslims who want more Christians in government, because they're brother Egyptians and deserve to have their voice heard.

    http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-11/23/article01.shtml
    Traitors.
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    07 Aug '08 08:162 edits
    Originally posted by scherzo
    Traitors.
    Why?

    EDIT - Reading up on these guys. They're actually pretty unpleasant and creepy. They're one of those groups that wants a global Islamic empire it looks like. They're all into dying in jihads and stuff.
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    07 Aug '08 08:30
    'Cool Muslims' are people like Nusrat Ali Fateh Khan ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nusrat_Fateh_Ali_Khan )
    or Dr Das from the Asian Dub Foundation.
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    07 Aug '08 09:40
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    'Cool Muslims' are people like Nusrat Ali Fateh Khan ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nusrat_Fateh_Ali_Khan )
    or Dr Das from the Asian Dub Foundation.
    'Cool' as in 'benevolent and worthy of respect and admiration', not the other kind of 'cool'.
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    07 Aug '08 09:42
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    'Cool' as in 'benevolent and worthy of respect and admiration', not the other kind of 'cool'.
    Nusrat was certainly benevolent and worthy of respect and admiration, so's Dr Das!
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    07 Aug '08 10:00
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Nusrat was certainly benevolent and worthy of respect and admiration, so's Dr Das!
    Dr Das can kiss my white European ass.
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    07 Aug '08 10:011 edit
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Dr Das can kiss my white European ass.
    Present it to him and I'm sure he'll take a peck.

    Why the animosity?
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    07 Aug '08 10:06
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Present it to him and I'm sure he'll take a peck.

    Why the animosity?
    I don't like their lyrics. Too much finger pointing at the evil West for my taste.
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    07 Aug '08 10:13
    Originally posted by Palynka
    I don't like their lyrics. Too much finger pointing at the evil West for my taste.
    You must really hate reggae.

    But I don't see that at all. More typical ghetto concerns. Like 'La Haine'.

    Change your filters, maaan.
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    07 Aug '08 10:162 edits
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    You must really hate reggae.

    But I don't see that at all. More typical ghetto concerns. Like 'La Haine'.

    Change your filters, maaan.
    'La haine' is a warning and it's aimed at those that can do something about it. It doesn't polarize things into the 'us against them' that I see in ADF's lyrics. In fact, it shows the stupidity and the consequences of that duality (in my opinion).
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    07 Aug '08 10:21
    Originally posted by Palynka
    'La haine' is a warning and it's aimed at those that can do something about it. It doesn't polarize things into the 'us against them' that I see in ADF's lyrics.
    I meant the ADF song 'La haine'.

    I simply don't see what you see. Different filters. Let it be.
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    07 Aug '08 10:331 edit
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    I meant the ADF song 'La haine'.

    I simply don't see what you see. Different filters. Let it be.
    Ok, I was talking about the film. From the song:

    Are you a spanner in the works or part of the plan
    Are you shaking or biting the invisible hand


    There's duality everywhere in that song. I can almost hear Bush asking me if I'm with him or the terrorists.

    'You are'... 'Are you'...? 'You are'...

    I really can't stand the black and whiteness of it all.


    But as you say...different filters.
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    07 Aug '08 10:571 edit
    Originally posted by Palynka


    Are you a spanner in the works or part of the plan
    Are you shaking or biting the invisible hand
    I'd tend to interpret that non-dualistically, as a call to submit, to align with the Tao, the 'invisible hand'. Of course I don't see any coded references to the evil West at all.

    Given where ADF come from, I'd say their vision was local, not global. Sort out your own backyard. Choosing 'La Haine' as the title for a song, obviously referencing the film, would tend to reinforce that.

    If their message was as simplistic as you portray, I'd have no time for them. Not that I'm constantly jamming to ADF as it is ... a bit remote from my reality.
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    07 Aug '08 12:18
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Here are some Egyptian Muslims who want more Christians in government, because they're brother Egyptians and deserve to have their voice heard.

    http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-11/23/article01.shtml
    you sound surprised.
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