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    So now, yes or no, can there be a moral atheist? I say yes, what say you?
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    23 Jul '11 06:40
    Originally posted by JS357
    So now, yes or no, can there be a moral atheist?
    Quite obviously, yes. The "no" argument is no more than a thought game, albeit an interesting one.
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    23 Jul '11 07:23
    Originally posted by JS357
    So now, yes or no, can there be a moral atheist? I say yes, what say you?
    Yes, yes -- of course.

    But that won't stop some yo-yo in a coxcomb bouncing in here and presenting some Rube Goldberg semantic gymnastic that concludes otherwise.
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    23 Jul '11 07:49
    Of course. Although, if God exists, and if there is a moral obligation to love God, then obviously no.
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    23 Jul '11 07:59
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Of course. Although, if God exists, and if there is a moral obligation to love God, then obviously no.
    *takes a shot of whiskey*
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    23 Jul '11 16:17
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Of course. Although, if God exists, and if there is a moral obligation to love God, then obviously no.
    If god exists as you envision him.
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    23 Jul '11 18:00
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Of course. Although, if God exists, and if there is a moral obligation to love God, then obviously no.
    Refining that a little, I would say, if believing there is at least one deity is essential to being a moral being, by definition there is no moral atheist.

    Questons:

    Would being a moral being require belief in only the right (i.e., only the actually existent) god (or gods)?

    Is belief in only the right god (or gods) a free-will act? My formation of beliefs don't feel like free will acts, to me, although it may be a free will act to expose myself to situations where I may form or change my beliefs.
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    23 Jul '11 18:09
    I agree with the post above. People need to define what they mean by a "moral person" before each one goes off into his own direction and we descend into gibberish.
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    23 Jul '11 20:02
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    *takes a shot of whiskey*
    And another one (Arran single malt 10yo)๐Ÿ˜ต
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    23 Jul '11 20:03
    Originally posted by rwingett
    If god exists as you envision him.
    If G-d exists as they invented him๐Ÿ˜ต
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    23 Jul '11 20:07
    Originally posted by Palynka
    I agree with the post above. People need to define what they mean by a "moral person" before each one goes off into his own direction and we descend into gibberish.
    We will descend into gibberish anyway Pal my pal๐Ÿ˜ต
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    23 Jul '11 20:11
    Originally posted by black beetle
    And another one (Arran single malt 10yo)๐Ÿ˜ต
    I like the cut of your jib. ๐Ÿ˜‰
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    24 Jul '11 05:33
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    I like the cut of your jib. ๐Ÿ˜‰
    I like the way your Horse jibbed on seeing our epipheneas's gate๐Ÿ˜ต
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    Originally posted by black beetle
    I like the way your Horse jibbed on seeing our epipheneas's gate๐Ÿ˜ต
    That doesn't even make sense...which is cool. ๐Ÿ˜ต
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    24 Jul '11 06:41
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    That doesn't even make sense...which is cool. ๐Ÿ˜ต
    "Horse" (in a very common figurative sense used in Eastern traditions like Zen, Madhyamaka, Dzogchen etc) means "mind". Other words that are used the same way are: Sixth (mind, because mind is considered the sixth sense), Foal, Ox, Old Cow, Cloud, Mirror etc. "The Voice of the Horse" (The Voice of Concrete Logic) is the name of the famous Indian philosopher and logician Asvaghosha.
    And "Gate" amongst else in a figurative sense is "mind", and also the "way of evaluation of the reality", etc. Find out on your own what is the meaning of the expression "Gateless Gate"!

    So, I told you:
    -- "I like the way you refused to follow epiphenehas' evaluation/ preposition regarding the OP"
    ๐Ÿ˜ต
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