Those big bad cheating science people. (more basics)

Originally posted by shavixmir
What was before God?

Either God has always been, in which case anything else could also have always been (along the same argumentation). So, energy (or matter or whatever) will always have been. Since it has not always been the same, it has evolved (changed).

Or Something created God. And if something created God, what created that something? This wo ...[text shortened]... vine evolution of sorts.

No matter how you look at it, something evolved from something else.

Yes, God has always been. Nothing else has always been.
The word "evolved" refers to an evolutionary change, not
just "changed".
God was neither created nor evolved; and God does not
change. (Source, The Holy BIble.) Why not read it?

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
You IMPLIED it:

“.... scientists who do not see design are [b]CHILD ABUSERS ...” (my emphasis, your quote)

OK, I suppose you would now claim you did not mean paedophilia from “child abusers”.
So what DID you mean by “child abusers”? Are you saying scientists who do not see intelligent design in nature are cruel to children in some ...[text shortened]... this?

does your hatred of anyone that disagrees with your religious beliefs have any bounds?[/b]

Well, this is coming from someone who said that he did not care if his daughters died tomorrow.

Originally posted by lausey
Well, this is coming from someone who said that he did not care if his daughters died tomorrow.

What! Did he really say that!?

Originally posted by Dasa
Why are you using words like paedophilia, cruel to children and hatred.......this means you are clearly creating straw-man arguments from thin air, and this is coming from your untruthful platform.

Is it not possible to embrace truthfulness and then speak.....instead of embracing untruthfulness at every opportunity to prop up false claims.

“...Why are you using words like paedophilia, cruel to children and hatred ...”

Dirr -because you used the words “child abusers”:
“.... scientists who do not see design are CHILD ABUSERS ...” (my emphasis, your quote)

“...this means you are clearly creating straw-man arguments from thin air ...”

didn't you say “.... scientists who do not see design are CHILD ABUSERS ...”? -YES OR NO?

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
What! Did he really say that!?

"And if [my children] died tomorrow, it wouldn't upset me the slightest, because for the soul (the real person) there is no death." [9th Dec 2010] Thread 136237 page 4 onwards.

Originally posted by FMF
"And if [my children] died tomorrow, it wouldn't upset me the slightest, because for the soul (the real person) there is no death." [9th Dec 2010] Thread 136237 page 4 onwards.

Thanks, I was in the process of looking it up. 🙂

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
“...Why are you using words like paedophilia, cruel to children and hatred ...”

Dirr -because you used the words “child abusers”:
“.... scientists who do not see design are CHILD ABUSERS ...” (my emphasis, your quote)

“...this means you are clearly creating straw-man arguments from thin air ...”

didn't you say “.... scientists who do not see design are CHILD ABUSERS ...”? -YES OR NO?

To be fair. Child abuse covers a much wider range than paedophilia. It will include things like neglect, physical and psychological abuse. Paedophilia is specifically child sex abuse.

However, I certainly don't agree that scientists who do not agree with design are child abusers. That is complete lunacy.

On the contrary. In light of the fact that Dasa would not be upset in the slightest if his children died tomorrow. I will say he is a child abuser.

you have all been found guilty of not ignoring vishva. the penalty is having to see another one (or several) of his threads pop up in the next days.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
you have all been found guilty of not ignoring vishva. the penalty is having to see another one (or several) of his threads pop up in the next days.

:'(

Originally posted by lausey
:'(

my decision is final so no point crying

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes, God has always been. Nothing else has always been.
The word "evolved" refers to an evolutionary change, not
just "changed".
God was neither created nor evolved; and God does not
change. (Source, The Holy BIble.) Why not read it?

I have read the bible. Multiple times.

However, it was written by people.
And suggesting that because those people wrote that God is the only thing that has always existed makes it true is totally absurd.

Originally posted by shavixmir
I have read the bible. Multiple times.

However, it was written by people.
And suggesting that because those people wrote that God is the only thing that has always existed makes it true is totally absurd.

"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching,
for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every
good work." (2 Timothy 3:16-17 NASB)

"But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God;
for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them,
because they are spiritually appraised." (1 Corinthians 2:14 NASB)
[From the Holy Bible - New American Standard Bible]

Originally posted by RJHinds
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching,
for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every
good work." (2 Timothy 3:16-17 NASB)

"But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God;
for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them,
...[text shortened]... appraised." (1 Corinthians 2:14 NASB)
[From the Holy Bible - New American Standard Bible]

I love that verse in 2 Timothy, the idea behind being fully equipped, or as you translation renders it 'adequate', for every good work, comes from the idea of a ship being fitted out for a long journey. One is reminded of course of life, which, like the sea, may be perilous and has its ups and downs, yet the man or women of God is equiped to deal with these.

'Natural', is not a very accurate rendering of the second verse.

Originally posted by lausey
To be fair. Child abuse covers a much wider range than paedophilia. It will include things like neglect, physical and psychological abuse. Paedophilia is specifically child sex abuse.

However, I certainly don't agree that scientists who do not agree with design are child abusers. That is complete lunacy.

On the contrary. In light of the fact that Dasa w ...[text shortened]... d not be upset in the slightest if his children died tomorrow. I will say he is a child abuser.

“....I certainly don't agree that scientists who do not agree with design are child abusers. ...”

LOL

I think that would be a very difficult assertion for (most) people to disagree with.

Originally posted by shavixmir
What was before God?

Either God has always been, in which case anything else could also have always been (along the same argumentation). So, energy (or matter or whatever) will always have been. Since it has not always been the same, it has evolved (changed).

Or Something created God. And if something created God, what created that something? This wo ...[text shortened]... vine evolution of sorts.

No matter how you look at it, something evolved from something else.

Your using mundane logic to understand spiritual precepts.....cannot be done.

The only thing you need to understand spirituality is a thoroughly truthful heart and the teachings of Vedanta.