One person might say “I believe in Jesus and he is my saviour”.
In believing and saying this they also believe that they are spiritually immortal and will spend their immortality in an ultimate bliss.
Another person might say “I don’t believe in Jesus other than him being to some extent a historical character”.
In believing and saying this they are also spiritually immortal but will spend their immortality being exposed to the most sickening torture anyone an imagine.
If these extremes are in fact true, how can they be described as being the manifestation of ultimate justice or divine righteousness or morally coherent?
@divegeester saidhow can they be described as being the manifestation of ultimate justice or divine righteousness or morally coherent?
One person might say “I believe in Jesus and he is my saviour”.
In believing and saying this they also believe that they are spiritually immortal and will spend their immortality in an ultimate bliss.
Another person might say “I don’t believe in Jesus other than him being to some extent a historical character”.
In believing and saying this they are also spirituall ...[text shortened]... escribed as being the manifestation of ultimate justice or divine righteousness or morally coherent?
I have no idea. I do believe however that since we don't know what "ultimate justice" looks like, it stands to reason that forming opinions on something we know very little of might not be wise.
@mchill saidAsserting what consitutes "ultimate justice" is an absolutely axiomatic part of Christianity. Do you think, therefore, that Christianity "might not be wise"?
I do believe however that since we don't know what "ultimate justice" looks like, it stands to reason that forming opinions on something we know very little of might not be wise.
04 Oct 22
@mchill saidAre you acknowledging that the actions and precepts about righteousness and justice as described by the god of the Bible, is NOT the expression of ultimate justice?
I do believe however that since we don't know what "ultimate justice" looks like, it stands to reason that forming opinions on something we know very little of might not be wise.
@divegeester saidI'm acknowledging that none of would recognize "ultimate justice" if it wacked us in the butt with 2 hot sticks. Because of this, we're debating something we know very little about, which might just be a waste of time. Do it if you like, but I'd prefer stick with something I know about.
Are you acknowledging that the actions and precepts about righteousness and justice as described by the god of the Bible, is NOT the expression of ultimate justice?
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@divegeester saidPerhaps you are unaware of this, but both Jewish and Catholic traditions teach something along the lines of:
One person might say “I believe in Jesus and he is my saviour”.
In believing and saying this they also believe that they are spiritually immortal and will spend their immortality in an ultimate bliss.
Another person might say “I don’t believe in Jesus other than him being to some extent a historical character”.
In believing and saying this they are also spirituall ...[text shortened]... escribed as being the manifestation of ultimate justice or divine righteousness or morally coherent?
Think no evil, but if you can't do that then
Speak no evil, and if you can even manage that, then at least
Do no evil.
To whatever extent someone believes they are primarily a spiritual being only temporarily incarnate, would it not be most correct for them to manage their thoughts?
05 Oct 22
@kevin-eleven saidNice phraseology "manage their thoughts".
To whatever extent someone believes they are primarily a spiritual being only temporarily incarnate, would it not be most correct for them to manage their thoughts?
Which definition of manage were you thinking about?
Supervise, treat with care, direct, try to alter for a purpose
All four are interesting in the context of your post maybe.
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@divegeester saidIf these extremes are in fact true, how can they be described as being the manifestation of ultimate justice or divine righteousness or morally coherent?
One person might say “I believe in Jesus and he is my saviour”.
In believing and saying this they also believe that they are spiritually immortal and will spend their immortality in an ultimate bliss.
Another person might say “I don’t believe in Jesus other than him being to some extent a historical character”.
In believing and saying this they are also spirituall ...[text shortened]... escribed as being the manifestation of ultimate justice or divine righteousness or morally coherent?
They can't be described as you mentioned because the judgmental power in this case comes from beyond our understanding. As I've stated here several times, this is the barrier non-Christians run into when trying to use their limited intellectual capacity to fully understand their creator who has absolute wisdom. and power. It doesn't work.
11 Oct 22
@divegeester saidWell you extremist hell-subscribers need to make up your friggin’ minds about this stuff
Well you extremist hell-subscribers need to make up your friggin’ minds about this stuff instead of rocking up into this thread and posting a load of obfuscation.
American Christianity, what a crock of crap!
I'm not exactly sure who you're referring to here, but I've already made up my mind.
11 Oct 22
@divegeester saidI believe in Jesus who is both my King And Saviour..... however nothing approaching immortality is a done deal.
One person might say “I believe in Jesus and he is my saviour”.
In believing and saying this they also believe that they are spiritually immortal and will spend their immortality in an ultimate bliss
Assuming that one gets through The Great Tribulation (now started I think) one would have a period of testing; after 1000 years to come to perfection (spiritually speaking) there is the matter if a test when Satan is released from his bonds.
This whole “because I believe in Jesus I am saved stuff is not born out by the scriptures.
Come on then, let’s have the pelters 😂😎😁
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@tea saidHow so, and why only maybe?
All four are interesting in the context of your post maybe.