Originally posted by knightmeisterI was exaggerating, knight, and wasn't referring to you in any case.
I wasn't seeking to doubt your experience , infact , I believe you. I was trying to find out more.I found myself frustrated by your description (which I accept is subjective) because of some of the things you didn't say. The context is all important here. Any accusations of you being are 'lying scumbag' are in your own mind. I'm wondering what the othe ...[text shortened]... le thought about it? Had it happened before? Did they act surprised? What else do you know?
I ommitted more detail for two reasons. One, I don't know that much more myself. Two, I wanted to provoke a discussion on the nature of belief and knowledge, rather than an investigation into what it actually was that I did (or didn't...) experience.
That said, in answer to your questions, Li said that it had happened a few times before, though I didn't ask how many. He didn't seem particularly surprised either by its occurence or its severity. Other info: he blamed it on her 'lifestyle'; demons were occupying the spiritual void left by her ungodly behaviour. After the event she was lucid, and seemed only embarrassed that I had seen her. That's pretty much all I know.
Originally posted by VillagerAs someone who goes in for a phenomenological approach as opposed to intellectual , I would be most likely to trust my experience over 'intellectual' logic. In this case maybe seeing is believing.??
I was exaggerating, knight, and wasn't referring to you in any case.
I ommitted more detail for two reasons. One, I don't know that much more myself. Two, I wanted to provoke a discussion on the nature of belief and knowledge, rather than an investigation into what it actually was that I did (or didn't...) experience.
That said, in answer to your qu ...[text shortened]... s lucid, and seemed only embarrassed that I had seen her. That's pretty much all I know.
Originally posted by VillagerBut the question whether it actually happened is kind of crucial to the question of what it might mean...
I was hoping that we could discuss this without endless assertions that I must be a lying scumbag. I can't prove that I'm telling the truth, you can't prove that I'm not: let's move on.
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The Book involved was indeed a 'holy book'. Does it matter which one? It wasn't the Bible. There were no Christians involved. The family are religious, but not ...[text shortened]... ss significance, but some sort of possession seems to be a reasonable conclusion.
Originally posted by Villager- Do we choose in what to believe?
I maintain that it did happen.
I hoped that people would be able to discuss the implications of such a thing assuming it did occur, regardless of whether they believed that it did.
Here I think we have a problem of determining which type of free-will you are considering. Your question is similar to wondering if you choose your ideas. You can argue that some things make sense to you and others do not. But do you choose what makes sense to you and what does not?
Note that this also relates in an interesting way to insanity. If you didn't believe something like that was possible and you think it's rational to believe it didn't happen, wouldn't it make you insane in the eyes of those who have the same view on reality as you do/did and didn't experience it?