Originally posted by FreakyKBH Influencing, perhaps.
Defining, absolutely not.
No matter what the wanna-be statisticians herein attempt to prove with their unfounded analysis of the information they spout, there are far too many 'exceptions to the rule,' as it were, which render such iron-clad proclamations null and void.
An American atheist, a Chinese Christian, an Arab Buddhist, a Jew ...[text shortened]... ive that no one is bound by upbringing, education or circumstance, but rather, their own conscience.
Originally posted by FreakyKBH "... all proof positive that no one is bound by upbringing, education or circumstance, but rather, their own conscience." (italics mine)
__________
FreakyKBH: all proof positive that no one is bound by upbringing, education or circumstance, but rather, their own conscience.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby Ditto
The rhetorical error/rhetorical trick both you and FreakyKBH are engaging in is that you are ignoring the fact that no one claims that a person is "bound" by upbringing, education, location or circumstance.
Originally posted by FreakyKBH Influencing, perhaps.
Defining, absolutely not.
No matter what the wanna-be statisticians herein attempt to prove with their unfounded analysis of the information they spout, there are far too many 'exceptions to the rule,' as it were, which render such iron-clad proclamations null and void.
An American atheist, a Chinese Christian, an Arab Buddhist, a ...[text shortened]... that no one is bound by upbringing, education or circumstance, but rather, their own conscience.
Perhaps I should have wrote influences instead of factors. Of course there's going to be exceptions to the rule, we are after all humans but I would still argue that a Christian breeding an atheist would still be a result of their upbringing or general day to day interactions with other people.
Originally posted by Trev33 Perhaps I should have wrote influences instead of factors. Of course there's going to be exceptions to the rule, we are after all humans but I would still argue that a Christian breeding an atheist would still be a result of their upbringing or general day to day interactions with other people.
So when a Christian and an atheist have a child does that child become an agnostic?
Originally posted by wolfgang59 "... all proof positive that no one is bound by upbringing, education or circumstance, but rather, their own conscience .."
NO
You need to study statistics.
Why in God's name would I need to follow your advice on studying statistics when you're applying them incorrectly?
Originally posted by FMF I don't think anyone would claim that people are "bound" by upbringing, education, location or circumstance (indeed I know numerous Christians here who converted from Islam, and also Muslims who converted from Christianity), but the very uneven distribution of what religions and beliefs are founded on people's own consciences quite clearly is largely determined ...[text shortened]... ifiably and understandably ~ defined and identified as being Christian, or Muslim, or Hindu etc.
I don't disagree on all points, but I consider much of the input is more a result of 'identified as' than necessarily personally-held beliefs.
Most religious adherents are woefully under-informed on the basic tenets of their given religion--- and that 'given' is far more influential than anything else.
As you pointed out, people are raised in a system and--- for purposes of surveys and census takers--- are considered in their respective categories by default, or unless otherwise denounced.
Originally posted by FreakyKBH I don't disagree on all points, but I consider much of the input is more a result of 'identified as' than necessarily personally-held beliefs.
Most religious adherents are woefully under-informed on the basic tenets of their given religion--- and that 'given' is far more influential than anything else.
As you pointed out, people are raised in a system an ...[text shortened]... kers--- are considered in their respective categories by default, or unless otherwise denounced.
If you'd been born and grown up in the street I live in here, you would most likely be a Muslim now and you'd probably have been just as convinced of your Islamic beliefs as you now are of your Christian ones. Talking about how "woefully under-informed" you might or might not be, or would have been if you'd grown up differently from how you did, is all a red herring.
Originally posted by wolfgang59 It's a while since I obtained my honours degree in Maths but I doubt you have any
qualification in Stats, Math or any science.
He's already unilaterally declared you to have been thinking "incorrectly", so you're toast. 😛
Upbringing, education and circumstance
25 Mar '16 08:05
Back to Top