Warning to Christians from Christ & Apostles

Here is what the Bible says:
1. Born again Christians can and do drawback or fall away
2. Those doing so can lose their salvation
3. The punishment for these Christians are worse than if they were not Christians in the first place.
4. It is impossible to obtain repentance once this happens.

Here are supporting references:

1. ... if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. (Hebrews 10:38 KJV)

2. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. (2 Pet 2:20-21)

3. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:21-23 KJV)

4. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Hebrews 10:26 KJV)

5. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV)

Originally posted by Rajk999
Here is what the Bible says:
1. Born again Christians can and do drawback or fall away
2. Those doing so can lose their salvation
3. The punishment for these Christians are worse than if they were not Christians in the first place.
4. It is impossible to obtain repentance once this happens.

Here are supporting references:

[quote] 1. ... if any man ...[text shortened]... ins. Please refrain from discussing your personal life or personal stories of how you are saved.

Originally posted by sonship
You are going a long way to knock on my door.

If I start to converse with you about this calling me out about this, you realize that you will soon withdraw and say you don't want to talk to me.

I don't think you hold up well under careful examination.

1. Born again Christians can and do drawback or fall away

2. Those doing so can lose their salvation

3. The punishment for these Christians are worse than if they were not Christians in the first place.

4. It is impossible to obtain repentance once this happens.

Originally posted by sonship

1. Born again Christians can and do drawback or fall away

You are assuming that God has NO OTHER WAY to discipline a Christian except to cause him to lose the gift of eternal redemption.

That assumption is unbiblical and wrong period.

2. Those doing so can lose their salvation

The word "salvation" can refe ...[text shortened]... but lost again forever by 10:00, etc. etc. etc."

This is terrible teaching.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Thank goodness you did not write the Bible. The gifts of brevity and conciseness and accuracy are qualities lacking in your writing.

Christ and the Apostles say that you are wrong. Try again.

Thank goodness you did not write the Bible. The gifts of brevity and conciseness and accuracy are qualities lacking in your writing.

Christ and the Apostles say that you are wrong. Try again.

Originally posted by sonship

Thank goodness you did not write the Bible. The gifts of brevity and conciseness and accuracy are qualities lacking in your writing.

Christ and the Apostles say that you are wrong. Try again.

You are hiding behind a complaint about brevity to conceal your inadequate careful study of Scripture.

Like I said, you would not last lon ...[text shortened]... s behind excuses of not wanting to read.

This is pitiful. Who do you think is being fooled ?

You cannot get saved by doing good works, and you cannot undo your salvation if you sin. Your salvation and everlasting life are gifts from God. God never takes back His gift of salvation.
The Bible is very clear about this. It says: “for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable” (Rom. 11:29).
In the translation of the New Testament known as The Message, that verse is translated very powerfully: “God’s gifts and God’s call are under full warranty—never canceled, never rescinded.”
Many people teach that if you sin, you lose your salvation and then you have to get saved all over again, but that is not true. God wants you to be absolutely sure that you cannot lose your salvation, so the Bible emphasizes its permanence in many ways.
• As you have seen, salvation is called a “gift” over and over, and the Bible specifically says the gifts of God are irrevocable.
• A term for salvation is “born again” or “new birth” (1 Pet. 1:3 and 23). We all know that birth is permanent.
Once I am born, I am a child of my mother and father forever.
Even if I am a horrible kid and my parents really don’t like me, the birth is permanent.
God wants Christians to know that He loves us and that we are His children no matter how we behave, so He uses the term “birth” to describe what happens to us when we are saved.
Birth is a one-time occurrence that cannot be undone.

• Another term for your salvation is “adoption.”
At first you may wonder why God would say you are “adopted” when saying you are “born” into His family seems so much more wonderful.
The answer to that question lies in the Roman law and culture at the time the New Testament was written.
According to Roman law, adoption into a Roman family was permanent, but a naturally born child could be disowned.
So, in writing to the Roman people (as in the books of Romans, Ephesians, and Galatians), God used the word “adoption” so they would be sure to understand that their salvation was permanent.

• When you are saved, God gives you holy spirit, His gift, on the inside. Because it is spirit, you can’t feel that it is within you, but it is God’s permanent seal in you that you are His child.
Ephesians is very clear about getting saved by believing and then being sealed with holy spirit:

Ephesians 1:13 and 14
(13) And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised holy spirit,
(14a) [which] ...is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance….

Read those verses again. They are so rich. The Bible says you are sealed with holy spirit, God’s gift. Therefore, you are sealed. God’s salvation does not “leak out” if you sin. You were sealed when you believed, and that seal is a “guarantee” of eternal life, your “inheritance” with the Lord.

• Because your salvation is permanent and you cannot lose it, God says you are His child! “How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! ...Dear friends, now we are children of God...” (1 John 3:1 and 2a).
Surely it cannot be that one day you are a child of God and the next day you aren’t. God chose to communicate to us in the words we use in our everyday speech, and we all know that children are a permanent addition to a family.
No one has children in his family one day and then does not have them in the family the next day. The same is true for God’s family as for our human families. God calls you His child to make the point that you are permanently in His family.
That is also why unbelievers are never called “children” of God—they are not part of the family.
Children have their father’s “seed” in them, and Christians are born of “imperishable seed” (1 Pet. 1:23).
The Bible is very clear: If you are saved, you are born into God’s family, you are permanently adopted, you are sealed with holy spirit and God calls you a child of God.

Actually Jaywill, people are not fooled by your misleading twisting of the scripture. The passages I quoted are very clear. Do you have any comments on the scripture quoted in the opening post?

25 Reasons Why Salvation Is Permanent For Christians

http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=127

Originally posted by checkbaiter
You cannot get saved by doing good works, and you cannot undo your salvation if you sin. Your salvation and everlasting life are gifts from God. God never takes back His gift of salvation.
The Bible is very clear about this. It says: “for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable” (Rom. 11:29).
In the translation of the New Testament known as The Mess ...[text shortened]... , you are permanently adopted, you are sealed with holy spirit and God calls you a child of God.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
25 Reasons Why Salvation Is Permanent For Christians

http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=127

Originally posted by sonship

Actually Jaywill, people are not fooled by your misleading twisting of the scripture. The passages I quoted are very clear. Do you have any comments on the scripture quoted in the opening post?

You're too lazy to read them. You come here like you want to "warn" Christians. Actually you're just sectarian and divisive and want to argue ...[text shortened]... uments.

I will write if you read. I may write regardless for the sake of someone else.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
You cannot get saved by doing good works, and you cannot undo your salvation if you sin. Your salvation and everlasting life are gifts from God. God never takes back His gift of salvation.
The Bible is very clear about this. It says: “for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable” (Rom. 11:29).
In the translation of the New Testament known as The Mess ...[text shortened]... , you are permanently adopted, you are sealed with holy spirit and God calls you a child of God.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Your statement :

You cannot get saved by doing good works, and you cannot undo your salvation if you sin. Your salvation and everlasting life are gifts from God. God never takes back His gift of salvation.

Cannot be derived from this :

“for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable” (Rom. 11:29).

The simple reason is that while God does n ...[text shortened]... to be born of God who will be given the Holy Spirit but they will fail and lose their salvation.