was jesus real

Originally posted by veritas101
Uhhhm... ever wondered why you write 2008 at the end of your date? Do some research sonny...

That practice was established in the sixth century, and it wasn't until the eighth century that it was
adopted by the West. This doesn't prove anything about whether Jesus existed or not!

That's like saying Christmas proves that Jesus' birthday was on 25 December.

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
That practice was established in the sixth century, and it wasn't until the eighth century that it was
adopted by the West. This doesn't prove anything about whether Jesus existed or not!

That's like saying Christmas proves that Jesus' birthday was on 25 December.

Nemesio

Well then you may just as well throw away all your history books since they prove nothing.(according to you)

How do you know for sure that the practise was established in the sixth century? You believe the history books don't cha?

Originally posted by veritas101
Well then you may just as well throw away all your history books since they prove nothing.

How do you know for sure that the practise was established in the sixth century? You believe the history books don't cha?

Wait...weren't you just telling someone to do research 2 posts ago?! 🙄

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Wait...weren't you just telling someone to do research 2 posts ago?! 🙄

Ever heard of sarcasm before?

Originally posted by veritas101
Ever heard of sarcasm before?

Yes; is that what you were attempting up there?

Keep trying though. You've got nowhere to go but up.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Yes; is that what you were attempting up there?

Keep trying though. You've got nowhere to go but up.

Thanks. I'm not very good at it, I know.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
He was real. Roman sources says so.

Reliable Roman sources with direct information, or Roman sources who reported hearing about Christianity?
I often see people make the claim that Jesus' existence was independently verified, but for some reason nobody ever provides any references.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Reliable Roman sources with direct information, or Roman sources who reported hearing about Christianity?
I often see people make the claim that Jesus' existence was independently verified, but for some reason nobody ever provides any references.

Do you ever take any history books seriously? Or do you just pick the ones you like?

Originally posted by veritas101
Well then you may just as well throw away all your history books since they prove nothing.(according to you)

How do you know for sure that the practise was established in the sixth century? You believe the history books don't cha?

Um, what? You told me to do research on why we use the current dating system. It turns out
that, rather than 'proving' Jesus was real, that it was a system imposed some 500+ years after
Jesus' putative existence. I used my history resources to verify this claim. Why would I throw
them out? Because they disagree with your idea that this proves that 'Jesus' existed?

What research do you have to contradict this claim?

Nemesio

Originally posted by jacko11
what do you think give your answers

What do you mean by real?
What does it take to make someone real?

As far as I can tell, most documentation about the life of Jesus was written at least 150 years after his death. He didn't write anything himself. He was never painted and he never painted. He didn't leave anything "observable" in his wake like art, poetry, whatever.

Outside of the bible there's one reference to him by a Roman scholar of the time... I believe.

So, even if he did live, you have to take matters with a pinch of salt.
On the other hand... do you exist?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Reliable Roman sources with direct information, or Roman sources who reported hearing about Christianity?
I often see people make the claim that Jesus' existence was independently verified, but for some reason nobody ever provides any references.

I cannot give any references either.

But the interesting is not weather he existed or not, the interesting part is if he is a human being of blood and flesh, like you and me. Or if he is of divine origin? Whose sperm gave rise to this child? Joseph, another man not known for anyone but Maria herself, or some holy spirit?

At those times, many people claimed a messiah title. But Jesus was selected, of some reason to be this Messiah. If not Jesus, anyone could be the Messiah. A Messiah was needed by the people to start a counter-force to the Roman powers.

Originally posted by Nemesio
Um, what? You told me to do research on why we use the current dating system. It turns out
that, rather than 'proving' Jesus was real, that it was a system imposed some 500+ years after
Jesus' putative existence. I used my history resources to verify this claim. Why would I throw
them out? Because they disagree with your idea that this proves that 'Jesus' existed?

What research do you have to contradict this claim?

Nemesio

So you think the 40 odd historians that wrote about Jesus were just sucking it all out their thumbs?

Originally posted by veritas101
So you think the 40 odd historians that wrote about Jesus were just sucking it all out their thumbs?

Which historians, during Jesus' life ever wrote about him?

Show me the list please, so I can check your sources.

Originally posted by veritas101
Do you ever take any history books seriously? Or do you just pick the ones you like?

I take some history books seriously, and think others are full of made up lies. I think the vast majority have a mixture of material and an analysis, cross referencing and common sense is required to tell the difference. But that is besides the point. I have not questioned the accuracy of any history books (except the New Testament books if you want to categorize them as History, which I do not), and you have not provided any reference to any history books.

Originally posted by veritas101
So you think the 40 odd historians that wrote about Jesus were just sucking it all out their thumbs?

Your list is a little short. I can guarantee that the number of historians who have written about Jesus is in the millions. I don't think all of them were sucking it all out of their thumbs (obviously they got the name from somewhere). But I also don't think you can reference a single historian who actually met Jesus in person.