Muslims believe that Mohammed was a great Prophet with no Godly deity. They also believe the same with Jesus. They do not put Jesus or Mohammed above one or the other; they are equal to Muslims.
The Koran says that to every people (or nation), a messenger is sent (verse 10:47), and that it was not needful for Mohammed to know who those other messengers were. I see no reason to suppose that the other messengers must have taken human form; if God ever appeared to humans at all, then He surely chose whatever form would meet with some level of understanding among the people to whom He appeared at that time and place: as a burning bush, or a shower of gold, or a talking blue elephant (to Hindus), or as space aliens (to whoever it was who wrote the Book of Enoch). They are all equal to me.
@KingDavid403 saidre: "in a vault somewhere" ?
Lack of evidence that he did not write is not evidence that he did.
Yes it is if you're disputing the evidence that he did write it.
There is much evidence of the life of the Apostle John. The oldest physical writings of the New Testament that they have in a vault somewhere, are portions of the Gospel of John dating back to 125 A.D. That's just 25 years ...[text shortened]... r religions also. Jesus is usually considered as a major figure in most other religions also. 🙂
Such conclusive evidence. 😉
re: "it's about loving all others as we love ourselves"
What do you mean by "love" ?
Why do you seem to automatically accept the premise that other people love themselves?
re: "Love covers a multitude of sins."
If by "sins" you mean "offenses against God", then I'd rather hear from God Itself about that and the real list of sins (if any), instead of relying on some verbiage that some ancient Jews and Jewish heretics jotted down for who knows what reason: to control other people, because they were psychotic (but still somewhat controlling), or what?
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@moonbus saidYes, I personally agree. It's a Spiritual thing; not a law thing. I personally like the Book of Enoch btw. 🙂
Muslims believe that Mohammed was a great Prophet with no Godly deity. They also believe the same with Jesus. They do not put Jesus or Mohammed above one or the other; they are equal to Muslims.
The Koran says that to every people (or nation), a messenger is sent (verse 10:47), and that it was not needful for Mohammed to know who those other messengers were. I see n ...[text shortened]... ndus), or as space aliens (to whoever it was who wrote the Book of Enoch). They are all equal to me.
Gandi's most personally loved teaching was Jesus's Sermon on the Mount. Gandi tried to live his life by the teachings of Jesus; he just could not stand supposed Christians.
"Gandhi respected Jesus' teachings and the figure of Christ, often stating, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians". He was inspired by Jesus' sacrifice and the Sermon on the Mount but criticized Christians for failing to live up to those principles, citing their materialism, perceived hypocrisy, and, based on a personal experience, racial segregation in churches. He encouraged Christians to embody the life of Christ through their actions, not just their words [goggle AI Overview}.
@Arkturos said@Arkturos said
re: "in a vault somewhere" ?
Such conclusive evidence. 😉
re: "it's about loving all others as we love ourselves"
What do you mean by "love" ?
Why do you seem to automatically accept the premise that other people love themselves?
re: "Love covers a multitude of sins."
If by "sins" you mean "offenses against God", then I'd rather hear from God Itself about that a ...[text shortened]... son: to control other people, because they were psychotic (but still somewhat controlling), or what?
re: "in a vault somewhere" ?
Such conclusive evidence. 😉
lol... Anyone can look that information up themselves. 🙂
What do you mean by "love" ?
Loving and caring for others, as we wished that they loved and cared about us.
Why do you seem to automatically accept the premise that other people love themselves?
Yes, I worded it wrong.
Loving and caring for others, as we wished that they loved and cared for us. 🙂
If by "sins" you mean "offenses against God", then I'd rather hear from God Itself about that and the real list of sins
Do you think that murder is wrong?
Do you think stealing is wrong?
If you see someone who desperately needs your help with something, and you do nothing, do you think this would be wrong?
Etc?
@KingDavid403 saidDodger.
@Arkturos said
re: "in a vault somewhere" ?
Such conclusive evidence. 😉
lol... Anyone can look that information up themselves. 🙂
What do you mean by "love" ?
Loving and caring for others, as we wished that they loved and cared about us.
Why do you seem to automatically accept the premise that other people love themselves?
Yes, ...[text shortened]... perately needs your help with something, and you do nothing, do you think this would be wrong?
Etc?
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@Arkturos saidProve it.
Prove it.
Jeremiah 31:33: "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts."
Romans 2:15: "They show that the demands of the law are written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness."
Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16: These verses echo Jeremiah's prophecy, describing the new covenant where God's law is placed "within them" and "written on their hearts".
[Hebrews 10:16 NKJV] 16 "This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,"
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@KingDavid403 saidThat's not proof -- it's just evidence of suggestibility.
Prove it.
Jeremiah 31:33: "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts."
Romans 2:15: "They show that the demands of the law are written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness."
Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16: These verses echo Je ...[text shortened]... cribing the new covenant where God's law is placed "within them" and "written on their hearts".
🙂
Do you understand that belief is just a local interpretation or flexing of what already exists?
And please don't ask me to prove that: it is self-evident. 😉
@Arkturos saidAnd please don't ask me to prove that: it is self-evident. 😉
That's not proof -- it's just evidence of suggestibility.
Do you understand that belief is just a local interpretation or flexing of what already exists?
And please don't ask me to prove that: it is self-evident. 😉
Prove that it is self-evident. 😉
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@KingDavid403 saidI have undermined all your prior assertions and that's the best you can come up with?
And please don't ask me to prove that: it is self-evident. 😉
Prove that it is self-evident. 😉
(BTW, I only wrote that third line to give you some kind of an out. 😉 )
@Arkturos said(BTW, I only wrote that third line to give you some kind of an out. 😉 )
I have undermined all your prior assertions and that's the best you can come up with?
(BTW, I only wrote that third line to give you some kind of an out. 😉 )
Gee thanks; I don't know what i would have done there if you had not of saved me. 🙂
@KingDavid403 saidWe are all bobbing in the same Ocean. 😉
(BTW, I only wrote that third line to give you some kind of an out. 😉 )
Gee thanks; I don't know what i would have done there if you had not of saved me. 🙂