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http://biologos.org/blog/the-firmament-of-genesis-1-is-solid-but-thats-not-the-point
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThis is an excellent article, thanks ATY.
http://biologos.org/blog/the-firmament-of-genesis-1-is-solid-but-thats-not-the-point
Originally posted by CalJustYou forgot the most obvious one:
It seems there are only three possibilities, each with its own momemtous problems:
Originally posted by twhiteheadThat's right. The Holy Bible seems to say that God called the required animals to the ark.
You forgot the most obvious one:
4. It was a miracle - and thus does not require explanation.
Of course this explanation somewhat ruins the attempts to find evidence [b]for the flood and thus validate the Bible.[/b]
Originally posted by RJHindsSo my question has always been, if this god wanted to off some nasty humans it didn't like, why go to all that trouble, kill ALL the land animals and such, just to get to those humans? If it is all powerful, all it would have had to do was wave it's rhetorical hands and zap, no more nasty humans, the planet doesn't have to undergo a catastrophe, the land animals all live and this god gets the job done with minimal effort.
That's right. The Holy Bible seems to say that God called the required animals to the ark.
In Genesis 7:9 the phrase [b] "there went into the ark to Noah" implies God's help in getting the animals TO Noah so he could bring them into the ark as God commmaded Noah.
There is no explanation as to how each animal got to the areas that they are ...[text shortened]... animals could have traveled under the direction of God into whatever area He wanted them to go.[/b]
Originally posted by sonhouseI believe God wants people who will love and obey Him willingly. God does not want to have unwilling servants. The Holy Bible compares God with a potter working on a masterpiece and reworking it until it is ready for the fire.
So my question has always been, if this god wanted to off some nasty humans it didn't like, why go to all that trouble, kill ALL the land animals and such, just to get to those humans? If it is all powerful, all it would have had to do was wave it's rhetorical hands and zap, no more nasty humans, the planet doesn't have to undergo a catastrophe, the land an ...[text shortened]... apocryphal tale designed to scare people into obedience, not some real event done by a real god.
Originally posted by RJHindsSo the gist of all that is your god thinks nothing of destroying all the animals on Earth to get to a few bad humans. That alone says humans wrote that stuff because THEY would be the first ones to put themselves WAY above animals and would therefore be the first ones to think if they were all gone, no big deal.
I believe God wants people who will love and obey Him willingly. God does not want to have unwilling servants. The Holy Bible compares God with a potter working on a masterpiece and reworking it until it is ready for the fire.
[b]The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying: “Arise and go down to the potter’s house, and there I will cause you ...[text shortened]... of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter?” says the Lord.
(Jeremiah 18:1-6 NKJV)[/b]
Originally posted by sonhouseYou apparently missed that part about God saving all those land animals, but only eight humans. I think that means God knows the importance of land animals.
So the gist of all that is your god thinks nothing of destroying all the animals on Earth to get to a few bad humans. That alone says humans wrote that stuff because THEY would be the first ones to put themselves WAY above animals and would therefore be the first ones to think if they were all gone, no big deal.
But it IS a big deal, even if you equate ...[text shortened]... an hands just writing the whole thing to bring fear into their subjects. No god needed for that.