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Originally posted by frogstompEl Al?
Baal was the son of EL
the same EL that is in israEL , michaEL, gabriEL etc etc
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI believe that the "gods" are gods in a way similar to that in which false teeth are "teeth." They're not, really, but they look like teeth and they're used like teeth. It's convenient to call them "teeth," even if the one calling them teeth knows they aren't.
Ex.18:11
"Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods."
Ex.23:24
"Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images."
Ex.23:32
"Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods."
And others listed on the right at the SAB reference.
Originally posted by huntingbearYour analogy maintains an interesting but probably unintended characteristic of the original situation.
I believe that the "gods" are gods in a way similar to that in which false teeth are "teeth."
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Your analogy maintains an interesting but probably unintended characteristic of the original situation.
What makes the real teeth real and the false ones false? Essentially, it could be argued that it's because the real ones are yours and the false ones are foreign. Suppose I yanked out one of your real teeth and put it in my mouth? Would it t ...[text shortened]... keep my own real teeth than substitute yours in for mine -- then I'd be worshiping a false god.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI've heard the following mealy-mouthed explanation of that problematic Psalm:
For the three Exodus verses cited, yes, possibly.
I have trouble reconciling the Psalm with that view.
Ps.82:1
"God standeth in the congregation of the mighty, he judgeth among the gods."
Originally posted by DoctorScribbleslol...the idea of weekly SAB studies really cracks me up for some reason.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/gods.html
According to the SAB, the God of Abraham frequently refers to himself as one god among many, particularly in Exodus. Is he mistaken in thinking that there are others in addition to himself?
Originally posted by LemonJelloWhat insincerity do you observe here?
lol...the idea of weekly SAB studies really cracks me up for some reason.
Scribs continues to impress me with his level-headedness and his ability to mix insincerity with formality in just the right proportions.
regarding week 1 here: does this mean i should start saying "oh my godS!" instead of the more conventional?
Originally posted by DoctorScribbleswell, i should probably retract (and do hereby retract) what i said about your being insincere here because looking back at your posts thus far, you seem willing to promote a fair debate.
What insincerity do you observe here?
Regarding your inquiry, if you're an RC (Right Columnist), then yes.
Originally posted by LemonJelloDo the references to the God of Abraham fall in this category, or are those an exception? Does the Bible's text mean to say that gods of the tribes with which God's chosen people war exist only in the minds of those people, and that the God of Abraham is the only God that exists in a factual realm? I honestly don't get the impression that the text of Exodus attempts to convey that distinction.
with that in mind: i think most of the references in the bible that refer to multiple gods fall into one of two categories:
1. they refer to man-made 'gods' which don't actually exist except in the minds of those who made them up.
Originally posted by LemonJelloLemonJello: "..... his ability to mix insincerity with formality ....."
lol...the idea of weekly SAB studies really cracks me up for some reason.
Scribs continues to impress me with his level-headedness and his ability to mix insincerity with formality in just the right proportions.
regarding week 1 here: does this mean i should start saying "oh my godS!" instead of the more conventional?
Originally posted by ivanhoeIf insincerity includes wanting to understand the Bible without first blindly accepting it as truth, or without a goal of eventually accepting it as truth, then you may call my SAB study insincere. I prefer to call it objective.
LemonJello: "..... his ability to mix insincerity with formality ....."
Touché ! 😀
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
If insincerity includes wanting to understand the Bible without first blindly accepting it as truth, or without a goal of eventually accepting it as truth, then you may call my SAB study insincere. I prefer to call it objective.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesi need to do some more research to answer the bulk of your questions.
Do the references to the God of Abraham fall in this category, or are those an exception? Does the Bible's text mean to say that gods of the tribes with which God's chosen people war exist only in the minds of those people, and t ...[text shortened]... ssion that the text of Exodus attempts to convey that distinction.