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too you?
Originally posted by David CThat's rather interesting. I consider 'faith' as in something Will get done or work, not really as 'truth'. I might believe in God, and have Faith that he can pull me through anything.
Faith would be the acceptance of the truth value of X without reasonable evidence. I'm sure there's a better definition out there somewhere. Maybe more romantic, too.
Originally posted by whodeyI think it also to point out that faith has a relational aspect to it. When you have faith in something or someone, you are placing value in them or it based on personal experience from previous dealings. Your perceived value that you place in them can produce a perceived value that you desire.
From a religious point of view, faith has been defined as the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. In short, without faith, you have no hope. Without hope, there is no purpose to life.
Originally posted by trevor33Faith means guessing at which form of "to, too, two" to use in a sentence, but acting with complete certainty that you got it right. Of course you didn't.
too you?
Originally posted by whodeyHope and faith are not inclusive notions at all. You can hope for something in the same way as you can look forward to it, it is not a matter of evidence or the lack of it. Neither is hope relevant to the nature of life. Life without hope seems to me to be a very reasonable prospect, it will be uniform in purpose.
From a religious point of view, faith has been defined as the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. In short, without faith, you have no hope. Without hope, there is no purpose to life.
Originally posted by StarrmanI would have to disagree. Hope and faith are inclusive notions. I am not placing any faith in the notion that the tooth fairy will come visit me and place money under my pillow at night. Therefore, I have no hope of it ever happening and can in no way look forward to it. Now when I was a child, I may have some evidence of the possiblity of the tooth fairy coming to visit me based on the evidence of some one I looked up to telling me that this was a possibility. At such a young age, I had next to no evidence to counter such a notion to be highly unlikely. I could then look forward to this happening even though I would not be 100% sure of it happening.
Hope and faith are not inclusive notions at all. You can hope for something in the same way as you can look forward to it, it is not a matter of evidence or the lack of it. Neither is hope relevant to the nature of life. Life without hope seems to me to be a very reasonable prospect, it will be uniform in purpose.
Originally posted by whodeyWhat utter rubbish. You're using your interpretation of one word to cover a myriad of different specifics. 'I hope the post arrives before I go to work' and 'I have faith in the post arriving before I go to work' are not the same thing. One suggests the possibility, the other fully demands that it should happen.
I would have to disagree. Hope and faith are inclusive notions. I am not placing any faith in the notion that the tooth fairy will come visit me and place money under my pillow at night. Therefore, I have no hope of it ever happening and can in no way look forward to it. Now when I was a child, I may have some evidence of the possiblity of the tooth fairy ...[text shortened]... lly, however. That same life giving faith can in turn extend your life spiritually forever.
Originally posted by rwingettRwingo: " ..... but acting with complete certainty that you got it right."
Faith means guessing at which form of "to, too, two" to use in a sentence, but acting with complete certainty that you got it right. Of course you didn't.
A skeptic would use a dictionary (or some reference tool other than the bible) and get it right. By using research instead of divine revelation, the skeptic would know your sentence should have read, "to you?"
Originally posted by StarrmanWhen you say that you hope the post arrives before you go to work, you have some measure of faith that it possibly could come, no? You may not be 100% certain, but you have hope nonetheless. Do you place your faith in people? You must to a certain degree. This is a prerequisite for life. Who do you place faith in 100%. Do you not rather place a certain degree of faith in people that directly correlates to past interactions with them? Faith never demands that something happens, rather, it is a petition. You never demand from God nor people unless your are manipulating them in some way. Let me read a verse from Daniel 3:17 about three men who are on the verge of meeting their demise. "If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. BUT IF NOT, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods...." Here we see faith in the ability of God to deliver them and faith in the act of not worshiping idols as instructed by God but at the same time the aknowledgement that God is sovereign and is not dictated to. This carries the knowledge that they may die in the furnace despite their faith which means that their faith is not 100% that God will save them from the furnace.
What utter rubbish. You're using your interpretation of one word to cover a myriad of different specifics. 'I hope the post arrives before I go to work' and 'I have faith in the post arriving before I go to work' are not the same thing. One suggests the possibility, the other fully demands that it should happen.
Losing hope is not akin to losing one ...[text shortened]... ery expereince of life.
What did you do before you had faith? Did you cease to live?