Originally posted by Captain StrangeHe simply lets us decide to follow him or not.
If God is all knowing ie. knows the future then he does not have free will.
For him to know the future it is already mapped out.
If he does not have free will he would not permit us to have free will.
Therefore to punish us for our sins when we have no choice means God is a monstrous psychopath.
And then when he says, "Ok, you want out, you're out", people call him a psychopath.
Originally posted by vistesdMaybe if someone explained it with understandable language.
The question is whether or not most Christians will accept that version of (contingent) omniscience.
Logic equations give me a headache. Just explain it to me in a way I can understand. You don't have to try to earn a doctorate with every conversation.
Originally posted by KellyJayBravo. Well said.
God is eternal, we are the ones that have our place within a universe with a beginning
and an end. In it we are free to do as we will, and you can see the results of our freedom
by watching the news. We don't have a stinking clue what an eternal being has with
respect to limitations and knowledge, we live in this very small sliver of time called now
that is so small its beginning is in the same place as its end. You assume to much.
Originally posted by SuzianneComing to any reliable conclusion about what is logically possible, or logically impossible requires
Maybe if someone explained it with understandable language.
Logic equations give me a headache. Just explain it to me in a way I can understand. You don't have to try to earn a doctorate with every conversation.
... wait for it ...
Originally posted by AgergThe language of humans is better, and to me, far more preferable.
Coming to any reliable conclusion about what is logically possible, or logically impossible requires
... wait for it ...
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"Logically possible" doesn't mean much to me, sorry. It either is, or is not.
Originally posted by KellyJayWhat if, indeed.
What if God knows when we have been well informed yet still wishes to maintain our
ability to deny Him? What if He understands completely and all the errors are on us?
What if we are on a planet ruled by powers of darkness whose hate towards God and us
makes them want to keep us in denial about God least we turn towards Him so they are
always pumping us with disinformation so we always have an excuse to avoid Him?
Originally posted by C HessYou are thinking the 7 day theory is what "All" Christians believe?!?. I for one do not. God created us with minds to think, to reason, to figure things out. If God had the sun stop, then if God is God, everything else would be unaffected. Natural laws are created by God too! So when a miracle does take place, all the more it is a miracle. Now God is working outside of natural law, to make a point. The miracles of Moses time. Some can be explained with natural law, but there are others that can't be explained.
...and simply underestimated the powerful combination of the human intellect and free will?
If I'm a god, and I wish to imprint in my believers a sense of my greatness, would I cheat? For instance, if I wanted to stop the sun in the sky, would I actually do that (with all the physical consequences it would have that I would have to keep track on), or would ...[text shortened]... s perspective, of course)?
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In hindsight, he probably shouldn't have been so lazy.
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It takes faith to believe in God, and sometimes it just doesn't make any sense to do so. In my own life, I can not deny the existence of God. There has been too much proof. But I also know God well enough, that He likes things like this forum, because it/we challenge each other. Sure, there are tons of redderick (can't think of how to spell it). But we still challenge each other to think.
Originally posted by PudgenikIt is spelled rhetoric. I good word for a spelling bee.
You are thinking the 7 day theory is what "All" Christians believe?!?. I for one do not. God created us with minds to think, to reason, to figure things out. If God had the sun stop, then if God is God, everything else would be unaffected. Natural laws are created by God too! So when a miracle does take place, all the more it is a miracle. Now God is workin ...[text shortened]... tons of redderick (can't think of how to spell it). But we still challenge each other to think.
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Originally posted by SuzianneNo, it's when he decides to wipe out entire groups of people, or when he decides to punish not just the offenders but every generation that follows, or he punishes an individual for an infinit eternity, that we call him a psychopath. That, I'd think, would be a very good definition of psychopathy. If he said: "Fine, don't follow me", and then when we die we're gone, that'd be fine.
He simply lets us decide to follow him or not.
And then when he says, "Ok, you want out, you're out", people call him a psychopath.
That would be the same as if there is no god, which of course is most likely the case, and that's fine by me.
Originally posted by C HessIf he exists he must be one cruel sarcastic devious Twat.
...and simply underestimated the powerful combination of the human intellect and free will?
If I'm a god, and I wish to imprint in my believers a sense of my greatness, would I cheat? For instance, if I wanted to stop the sun in the sky, would I actually do that (with all the physical consequences it would have that I would have to keep track on), or would ...[text shortened]... s perspective, of course)?
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In hindsight, he probably shouldn't have been so lazy.
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Originally posted by SuzianneIs this mug of tea before me empty?
"Logically possible" doesn't mean much to me, sorry. It either is, or is not.
Is it?
Isnt it?
You don't know ... but maybe ... its logically possible.
Do I have a fairy balancing on my fingertip?
Do I?
Don't I?
You don't know. But logically ...............................