1. Calgary
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    23 Aug '05 05:57
    Has anyone else seen this?
    What did you think?
    Did it makes sense to you?
  2. Standard memberHalitose
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    23 Aug '05 07:01
    Originally posted by Canadaguy
    Has anyone else seen this?
    What did you think?
    Did it makes sense to you?
    Pardon my ignorance, but is this some sort of film?
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    23 Aug '05 08:00
    it's a film. last semester i did a course on quamtum phenomena so i understand the subject to an extent. however, from the film i got "quantum phenomena exists, therefore God doesn't". i'm not sure if it explained it or not, but whatever-it made no sense and...yeah, words don't do this film justice. but i'll try.

    it was made as much sense as a haggis with four legs, all of the same length.
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    23 Aug '05 08:12
    Originally posted by genius
    it's a film. last semester i did a course on quamtum phenomena so i understand the subject to an extent. however, from the film i got "quantum phenomena exists, therefore God doesn't". i'm not sure if it explained it or not, but whatever-it made no sense and...yeah, words don't do this film justice. but i'll try.

    it was made as much sense as a haggis with four legs, all of the same length.
    I seemed to me to be saying that quantum phenomina is God, or great evidence for his/her/its existance.

    Either way it made my head hurt.
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    23 Aug '05 08:25
    Originally posted by Canadaguy
    I seemed to me to be saying that quantum phenomina is God, or great evidence for his/her/its existance.

    Either way it made my head hurt.
    so you got that quantum phenomena was evidence for his existence, and i understood it that it wasn't. that's quite a nice way of summing up the film, IMO...
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    23 Aug '05 08:41
    Originally posted by genius
    so you got that quantum phenomena was evidence for his existence, and i understood it that it wasn't. that's quite a nice way of summing up the film, IMO...
    Wasn't saying you were wrong or anything. This stuff is WAY over my head, I just want my daily cola fix, whist chowing down on a BigMac. I usually try not to think too deeply on my existence.

    Beside I was looking for opinions, and you gave one, good stuff.
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    23 Aug '05 12:02
    Originally posted by Canadaguy
    Wasn't saying you were wrong or anything. This stuff is WAY over my head, I just want my daily cola fix, whist chowing down on a BigMac. I usually try not to think too deeply on my existence.

    Beside I was looking for opinions, and you gave one, good stuff.
    i wasn't saying you were wring either-i was meerly saying that neither of us know who is wrong, if that makes sense...
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    23 Aug '05 21:28
    Originally posted by genius
    i wasn't saying you were wring either-i was meerly saying that neither of us know who is wrong, if that makes sense...
    Also The film makes me question who is in control of my behavior. That was scary stuff. I would like to believe I'M in control, but now I'm not sure. Its like being on the Titanic with no one at the helm. Disaster in the making.
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    23 Aug '05 22:16
    Originally posted by Canadaguy
    Also The film makes me question who is in control of my behavior. That was scary stuff. I would like to believe I'M in control, but now I'm not sure. Its like being on the Titanic with no one at the helm. Disaster in the making.
    And the Titanic went down even with someone at the helm. This is a good metaphor for the understanding that the universe runs essentially on cause and effect, a principle that can seem cold and heartless, because it is rooted in something far beyond our ideas of "who is in control" and related notions of justice and fairness.

    I saw "What The Bleep", by the way, but I didn't like it very much. I think it was a good door opener and useful for provoking discussion, but the underlying premise of a connection between quantum theory and mysticism is problematic. The reason being, that science and mysticism are two fundamentally different approaches to reality. The former is concerned entirely with the dualism (subject-object split) that is essential to the process of obervation and experimentation. The latter is concerned with experientially bridging the gulf between consciousness and matter.

    Put more simply, scientists, including quantum theorists, study matter, with a view toward understanding it and defining it via equations and categories. A mystic is really not interested in the properties of matter, he is interested in the underlying relationship of his own consciousness to matter, and dissolving the gap between the two. So the scientist and the mystic seek entirely different things, and any attempt to "mystify" science or to make mysticism "scientific" usually results in a muddying of the waters.

    For more on this, read Ken Wilber's "Quantum Questions". He clarifies many of the problems with popular science/mysticism books like Capra's "Tao of Physics" or Zukav's "Dancing Wu Li Masters".
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    24 Aug '05 04:03
    Originally posted by Metamorphosis
    And the Titanic went down even with someone at the helm. This is a good metaphor for the understanding that the universe runs essentially on cause and effect, a principle that can seem cold and heartless, because it is rooted in something far beyond our ideas of "who is in control" and related notions of justice and fairness.

    I saw "What T ...[text shortened]... science/mysticism books like Capra's "Tao of Physics" or Zukav's "Dancing Wu Li Masters".
    Just the man I wanted to hear from. I had hoped you had seen this film and was interested in your thoughts on the "matter"(no pun intended). Thanks
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    25 Aug '05 16:08
    i saw the movie. i expected more out of it. excellent premise and idea but the graphics got really cheesy and that detracted from the message. i'd give it 4/10.
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