Who does Not believe this ?

@kingdavid403 said
Your beliefs are fine with me. The main thing is that "Jesus is Lord"; and that we are to have a personal relationship with Him. Period. We will all find out the truths in our ends on this earth; and, our beliefs in the trinity or oneness have nothing to do with salvation. Personally, I'll stick to the Holy Scriptures and believe that God is One and the same being Go ...[text shortened]... arth in the flesh as the Son of God to lead us all into His righteousness and life with Him forever.

Jesus is Lord. Yes to that. Personal relationship, is no where to be found in the bible. Truth comes from repeating faithfully the teachings of Christ. You seem to lack that ability.

The bible preaches that your relationship with Christ comes from obedience to the commandments. The church preaches that the personal relationship [whatever that means], is the critical thing. Keeping the commandments is not important.

@medullah said
I cant believe that I'm actually doing this, but in the name of truth I must endorse Rajk's post as I would concur with the majority of that.

Your analysis of how John 1:1 should be interpreted is also correct. The fear of agreeing with someone simply to avoid offending others is a weakness. Stop doing it. Speak the truth regardless of the consequences.

@kingdavid403 said
Thanks for the false judgment oh holy righteous one. btw, I'm doing just fine. Was Jesus or King David being a week personality when they cried out:
[Psalms 22:1 NKJV] 1 A Psalm of David. "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? [Why are You so] far from helping Me, [And from] the words of My groaning?"
[Matthew 27:46 NKJV] 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried ...[text shortened]... before also, which clearly show that YOU have done the same thing also; oh righteous judgmental one.

How is getting angry a weakness or corrupting ones soul. Anger has it uses and good uses to boot. Jesus was rightly angry with false doctrines and hypocrites. There is no shame or disgrace in that. The shame is lying to oneself about the truth that Jesus preached. So far you are not one to tell the truth. Your current disagreement with sonship means that you are not as fargone as him but still you do not faithfully repeat the teachings of Christ.

@rajk999 said
Your analysis of how John 1:1 should be interpreted is also correct. The fear of agreeing with someone simply to avoid offending others is a weakness. Stop doing it. Speak the truth regardless of the consequences.

Thank you for your words which I’m sure are meant in kindness .... but I don’t .

It’s nice to find something we can agree on.

@medullah said
Thank you for your words which I’m sure are meant in kindness .... but I don’t .

It’s nice to find something we can agree on.

This one is also meant in kindness. Get out of the pack mentality. Followers of Christ [Im hoping you are one of a dying breed] do not do it. Its the road to damnation.

There are several other doctrines you stated with which I agree.

@kingdavid403 said
[John 14:7-9 NKJV] 7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." 8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." 9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"

I get what you are saying, I am sympathetic to your rationale.

Is it not true though that if you were to put that into a more modern vernacular what Jesus was basically saying that he “was a chip off the old block” ?

That’s the way that I read it

@rajk999 said
This one is also meant in kindness. Get out of the pack mentality. Followers of Christ [Im hoping you are one of a dying breed] do not do it. Its the road to damnation.

There are several other doctrines you stated with which I agree.

Rajk if you keep on like this I will be inviting down the pub for a drink.

It is good to find some agreement between us thank you for you comments.

@rajk999 said
How is getting angry a weakness or corrupting ones soul. Anger has it uses and good uses to boot. Jesus was rightly angry with false doctrines and hypocrites. There is no shame or disgrace in that. The shame is lying to oneself about the truth that Jesus preached. So far you are not one to tell the truth. Your current disagreement with sonship means that you are not as fargone as him but still you do not faithfully repeat the teachings of Christ.

Your current disagreement with sonship means that you are not as fargone as him but still you do not faithfully repeat the teachings of Christ.
LOL, I've always found it hilarious how prideful arrogant fools such as yourself, think that you can judge others salvation. Something that Christ specifically warned us not to do in His Holy Words, which you claim to follow; mister follower of Christ's teachings (as you claim). LOL

@rajk999 said
Jesus is Lord. Yes to that. Personal relationship, is no where to be found in the bible. Truth comes from repeating faithfully the teachings of Christ. You seem to lack that ability.

The bible preaches that your relationship with Christ comes from obedience to the commandments. The church preaches that the personal relationship [whatever that means], is the critical thing. Keeping the commandments is not important.

Keeping the commandments is not important.
I don't know what church you attend. However, every church I have ever attended teaches that the most important thing is keeping the commandments; and, to follow the teachings of Christ; and to seek forgiveness from Him when you fail or fall. I currently am not attending a church regularly. Mostly because of worthless lost people as yourself. Both from trinitarian, and oneness churches.

@KingDavid403

God is one. It's stated in several Holy Scriptures.

And it is also stated that the One God spoke of Himself as "We".

"If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)

"We" is a plural pronoun. So it is not that we Christians should want to believe something extra but that we should want to believe enough.

God is three-one is not God is not one.

What you are saying is, is that God has a split personality of three personality's;

What I am QUOTING is John 14:23.

"Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)

I am interpreting, if you will, that "Jesus" and "My Father" are both God and referred to there as "We".

So it is not that I believe something EXTRA. It is that I desire to believe ENOUGH, which would mean WHATEVER the word of God says.

If Jesus was as old as the Father, please tell us how Jesus can be the Father's son?

I don't know.
But I do know that the first name that the One in Isaiah 9:6 is called is "Wonderful".

The same Hebrew word is written in Psalm 139:6 and used this way:

"Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is high, I cannot attain unto it."

So you ask me how the Son given can be the Eternal Father or the child born can be the Mighty God or the Word who was with God could be God, I would answer:

"Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is high I cannot attain unto it." (Psalm 139:6)

But I want to say "Amen" to whatever the word of God proclaims. I can experience this three-one God even though He is "Wonderful" and beyond my powers to fully comprehend.

God can do anything He wants; so for you or I to claim that we have some special hidden secret about God and that we are the only ones who actually know Him is nonsense.

I don't know what you are speaking of here.

But "PEHLEH" or 'Wonderful" is also used in Scripture here:

"Is anything too hard for the Lord" (Gen. 18:14)

And also here:

"Why do you ask My name, seeing it is Wonderful" (Judges 13:18)

So the Divine and Wonderful "We" of God can make His abode in me for my salvation and enjoyment, although to comprehend this fully is high and I cannot attain unto such high knowledge.

I can enjoy Him. I can enjoy the divine "We" of the Father and the Son AS the Holy Spirit.

It also takes the form of attempting to play God in other peoples lives. God is ONE; and, God's Holy Word clearly tells us so. Again for the last time:

You will not be able to find any post by me ever written on this Forum in which I said that there are THREE Gods. And I have been posting for over ten years here.

Many times you may find me writing that there are three ___________. That is leaving a blank because human language cannot express the mystery of the one God as Father - Son - Holy Spirit.

You may find that I wrote "Persons". But in immediate proximity you'll most likely see that I said "Persons" cannot be stressed too far but only kind of borrowed.

Most of the verses on the Father, Son, Spirit are in the tone of experiential as if related to subjective experience.

Ie.
"The grace of the Lord Jesus and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." (2 Cor. 3:14) .

That is about the Trinity is subjective experience.

Ie. "For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father, of whom every family in the heavens and on earth is named, That He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit into the inner man, That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith." (Eph. 3:14-16)

Again, this is about the Triune God in subjective experience. The Father grants, the Spirit empowers, and the Son Christ make His home in the hearts of believers.

The one God operating in three ________ to carry out His adminstration [economy] to dispense Himself into man.

@kingdavid403 said
Keeping the commandments is not important.
I don't know what church you attend. However, every church I have ever attended teaches that the most important thing is keeping the commandments; and, to follow the teachings of Christ; and to seek forgiveness from Him when you fail or fall. I currently am not attending a church regularly. Mostly because of worthless lost people as yourself. Both from trinitarian, and oneness churches.

There are several Christians here who promote the doctrine that a man gets eternal life on the basis of faith and nothing else. Once faith is professed that person is saved eternally and will get eternal life in the Kingdom of God no matter what sins he commits subsequent to his profession of faith in Christ. Keeping of the commandments of Christ is frowned upon as works salvation.

Are you not familiar with that Christian doctrine?

[Your insults mean nothing to me]

@kingdavid403 said
Your current disagreement with sonship means that you are not as fargone as him but still you do not faithfully repeat the teachings of Christ.
LOL, I've always found it hilarious how prideful arrogant fools such as yourself, think that you can judge others salvation. Something that Christ specifically warned us not to do in His Holy Words, which you claim to follow; mister follower of Christ's teachings (as you claim). LOL

Followers of Christ are required to judge what other preach and if they do not conform to the teachings of Christ, there is an obligation to walk away from that person or say something. I choose to do both. If you think complacency and accepting everything others say is the way of Christ then you are mistaken.

Jesus was clear who gets eternal life and who does not. It is not arrogance to tell people what Jesus said.

[Your insults are just showing that you lack the vocabulary to say something of substance]

@rajk999 said
There are several Christians here who promote the doctrine that a man gets eternal life on the basis of faith and nothing else. Once faith is professed that person is saved eternally and will get eternal life in the Kingdom of God no matter what sins he commits subsequent to his profession of faith in Christ. Keeping of the commandments of Christ is frowned upon as works salvation.

Are you not familiar with that Christian doctrine?

[Your insults mean nothing to me]

My understanding has always been that faith without works is dead.

@sonship said
So the Divine and Wonderful 'We" of God can make his abode in me for my salvation and enjoyment, although to comprehend this fully is high and I cannot attain unto such high knowledge.

I can enjoy Him. I can enjoy the divine "We" of the Father and the Son AS the Holy Spirit.

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It also takes the form of attempting to play God in other peoples live ...[text shortened]... d operating in three ________ to carry out His adminstration [economy] to dispense Himself into man.

So the Divine and Wonderful [b]'We"
Ever heard of angels, or Arc Angels?

[Psalm 50:1 NKJV] 1 The Mighty One, God the LORD, Has spoken and called the earth From the rising of the sun to its going down.

[Mal 2:10 NKJV] 10 Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously with one another By profaning the covenant of the fathers?

[Mark 12:32 NKJV] 32 So the scribe said to Him, "Well [said], Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He.

[Romans 3:30 NKJV] 30 since [there is] one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

[1st Corinthians 8:6 NKJV] 6 yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live].

[Ephesians 4:6 NKJV] 6 one God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

[James 2:19 NKJV] 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble!

[Deuteronomy 6:4 NKJV] 4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD [is] one!