1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    What would happen if humanity declared war on world poverty and
    suffering and acted on this declaration with the same vigour and
    mobilisation level that we would have happened had we declared world war
    3 on each other?
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    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    What would happen if humanity declared war on world poverty and
    suffering and acted on this declaration with the same vigour and
    mobilisation level that we would have happened had we declared world war
    3 on each other?
    Just thinking out loud, but I’m wondering how much participation in a world war involves a complex of individual/national self interests? You have to sell sacrifice on the part of those in “first world” nations—at least the privileged among us, and this means privileged vis-à-vis those in other nations.

    In my limited experience, those of us who have been willing to so sacrifice in the past actually come from among the more modest income/wealth tiers in our nations, by and large. (That is, of course, rank casual empiricism.)

    Bottom line here, Wolfie, I’m just cynical. And maybe that’s not excusable. (And I’m just thinking out loud, off the cuff.)
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    Maybe a planetary hunger-strike ...
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    26 Nov '13 18:44
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    What would happen if humanity declared war on world poverty and
    suffering and acted on this declaration with the same vigour and
    mobilisation level that we would have happened had we declared world war
    3 on each other?
    I suspect we would have no more poverty.


    We have more than enough food to feed everyone, and enough labour to build houses for
    everyone, and so on.

    It's just highly unequally distributed.

    you could end poverty simply by relocating enough resources from those with excess
    to those below the poverty line.

    A worldwide minimum wage paid to all adults regardless of status would be one way to do it.

    There are all kinds of methods we could use, with different effects and ideologies.

    It's not actually a hard problem from a kind of engineering standpoint.


    The hard part in your question is not solving poverty, It's getting humanity to get together
    and agree to seriously commit to actually solving it, and then agreeing WHICH of the solutions
    to implement.
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    27 Nov '13 15:001 edit
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    I suspect we would have no more poverty.


    We have more than enough food to feed everyone, and enough labour to build houses for
    everyone, and so on.

    It's just highly unequally distributed.

    you could end poverty simply by relocating enough resources from those with excess
    to those below the poverty line.

    A worldwide minimum wage paid to a ...[text shortened]... eriously commit to actually solving it, and then agreeing WHICH of the solutions
    to implement.
    Well, the problem with this in America is that we have an entire political party who has most of the 'stuff', and they never cease trying to make damned sure that they keep it, and make more off the backs of the rest of us, and have even convinced an appreciable number of 'the rest of us' to be their minions, and continue this work in their name.
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Well, the problem with this in America is that we have an entire political party who has most of the 'stuff', and they never cease trying to make damned sure that they keep it, and make more off the backs of the rest of us, and have even convinced an appreciable number of 'the rest of us' to be their minions, and continue this work in their name.
    It's not a problem unique to America...

    You just seem to do everything bigger and more extreme.
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    27 Nov '13 17:41
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    What would happen if humanity declared war on world poverty and
    suffering and acted on this declaration with the same vigour and
    mobilisation level that we would have happened had we declared world war
    3 on each other?
    Declare war on poverty? It sure worked well in America. Some $17 trillion in debt and poverty is worse than when the US started.
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Well, the problem with this in America is that we have an entire political party who has most of the 'stuff', and they never cease trying to make damned sure that they keep it, and make more off the backs of the rest of us, and have even convinced an appreciable number of 'the rest of us' to be their minions, and continue this work in their name.
    Please don't make me lose my lunch.

    Obama and company are about as concerned abouit poverty as Hitler was with his massive nanny state. Hitler proved that the populace would sell their collective souls to anyone, so long as they are "cared for", so it's a proven formula for sucess. The basic premise is to feed off peoples greed making them no better than the "rich".

    This whole notion of only one party caring about the poor is prettyfunny stuff. How about "W" caring about the elderly with his Drugs for Seniors Program? Short term memory perhaps?

    The role of the nanny state is not to help people, it is only to control them. Do we really believe that Obama cares for those in Pakistan with all the billions he sends them in aid while he blows the rest to poo with his drones?
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    27 Nov '13 17:50
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    What would happen if humanity declared war on world poverty and
    suffering and acted on this declaration with the same vigour and
    mobilisation level that we would have happened had we declared world war
    3 on each other?
    It seems to me that what you wish to do is declare war on humanity for not giving the way they should. Well that requires a world wide police state that is run by (wait for it)...................the same greed driven people.

    Not to worry though, Obama and company are creating your world. You may live long enough to see their utopia.
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    27 Nov '13 17:58
    Originally posted by whodey
    Please don't make me lose my lunch.

    Obama and company are about as concerned abouit poverty as Hitler was with his massive nanny state. Hitler proved that the populace would sell their collective souls to anyone, so long as they are "cared for", so it's a proven formula for sucess. The basic premise is to feed off peoples greed making them no better than ...[text shortened]... istan with all the billions he sends them in aid while he blows the rest to poo with his drones?
    Well not to let the facts get in the way of your delusions...

    The welfare state works perfectly well in many countries.

    All those countries that outscore America in education, lifespan,
    healthcare costs per person, well-being/happiness ...

    And only one party in your country has consistently lied about
    how well socialised healthcare works in other countries and
    claimed that Steven Hawking would be dead if he lived in the
    UK and had to rely on the NHS...

    Now where is it that Hawking lives?


    Also, I seem to remember many in that party talking about how
    we had death panels for the elderly...

    So um, yeah, go find some reality.
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    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Well not to let the facts get in the way of your delusions...

    The welfare state works perfectly well in many countries.

    All those countries that outscore America in education, lifespan,
    healthcare costs per person, well-being/happiness ...

    And only one party in your country has consistently lied about
    how well socialised healthcare works in ...[text shortened]... talking about how
    we had death panels for the elderly...

    So um, yeah, go find some reality.
    It works perfectly well in other countries? Is that why you hear in the news how both the US and Europe are on the verge of economic collapse? Is that why you hear stories of people from Europe coming to the US so that they can get treatment quicker?

    I hate to burst your bubble, but your system is not a perfect system. Your way of thinking is not the only viable way of thinking.

    In the US, I have no problem with small states like the one Romney was governor over, move to socialize medicine in their own state, much like a small country in Europe might do. But I do have a problem with imposing it on the entire country. Let other states come up with alternative plans. In this way, we can then compare them and see which ones work better. Then again, socialism dictates that they are right about everything, so how could there be anything better? Socialism is so wonderful, that it is mandated for everyone it seems.

    Now Europe is walking in the same poo that the US is walking in when it comes to a massive nanny state, thanks to the EU. You then realize that the system does not work so well, yet you have no problem preaching to me how the entire US needs to adopt your own system.

    Then again, this is the spirituality forum, so there is no reason to withhold your religious convictions about socialism.
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    28 Nov '13 20:09
    Originally posted by whodey
    Please don't make me lose my lunch.

    Obama and company are about as concerned abouit poverty as Hitler was with his massive nanny state. Hitler proved that the populace would sell their collective souls to anyone, so long as they are "cared for", so it's a proven formula for sucess. The basic premise is to feed off peoples greed making them no better than ...[text shortened]... istan with all the billions he sends them in aid while he blows the rest to poo with his drones?
    I am only amused by the fact that you KNOW which party I'm talking about.

    BTW, how's that 'minion' thing working out for you? Are YOU 'rich' yet?

    I didn't think so.
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    28 Nov '13 21:31
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    I am only amused by the fact that you KNOW which party I'm talking about.

    BTW, how's that 'minion' thing working out for you? Are YOU 'rich' yet?

    I didn't think so.
    Heh, that made me laugh.
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    I am only amused by the fact that you KNOW which party I'm talking about.

    BTW, how's that 'minion' thing working out for you? Are YOU 'rich' yet?

    I didn't think so.
    There is no difference between the two parites Susan, except for maybe the abortion issue.

    Incidentally, do you view abortion as murder? If so, you are just voting for Nazis.
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    28 Nov '13 23:38
    Originally posted by whodey
    Incidentally, do you view abortion as murder?
    If so, you are just voting for Nazis.
    google "abortion"
    then google "murder"
    and finally google "Nazis"

    after you have done your homework rejoin the adults for a discussion
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