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Originally posted by @fmfYour dodge is noted. If God lets everyone off the hook He would not be just. His justice demands retribution for sin. Jesus took the full weight of our punishment upon himself. We can either accept or reject it. If we reject it we will have to take our own punishment.
Do you have any idea how much this sounds like a surly teenager with nothing to say?
I have no comment on what it "seems" to you I "probably" do.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerSo, in fact, you make no secret of it: there are no consequences for you stemming from your wrongdoings.
No Jesus took the consequences of my wong doings upon himself.
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Originally posted by @fmfYes I make no secret of Romans 8.
So, in fact, you make no secret of it: there are no consequences for you stemming from your wrongdoings.
"Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death.For what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh, so that the righteous standard of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."
Originally posted by @dj2beckerSo the fact that you make no secret of believing that there are no consequences for you stemming from all the wrongs you have committed in their lifetime, you also claim you will "face the justice of God that is revealed in the Bible, something rendered nonsensical and cock-the-snookingly smug by your preceding claim.
Yes I make no secret of Romans 8.
Added to all this is the supposed fact that all the people who don't believe the same stuff as you just so happen to believe won't die, as such, but will instead get burned... for all the wrongs they have committed in their lifetime.
Non-believers face consequences; believers don't. And it all comes down to thoughtcrime.
Do you at least understand how someone who doesn't share your superstitious belief in your particular god figure - and your notion of "justice" for you and "justice" for non-believers - might find your convoluted dogma to be incoherent?
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Originally posted by @fmfThere is no surprise there. According to 1 Corinthians 1:18, “The gospel of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing but to those who are being saved it is the power of God.”
So the fact that you make no secret of believing that there are no consequences for you stemming from all the wrongs you have committed in their lifetime, you also claim you will "face the justice of God that is revealed in the Bible, something rendered nonsensical and cock-the-snookingly smug by your preceding claim.
Added to all this is the supposed fact ...[text shortened]... ce" for you and "justice" for non-believers - might find your convoluted dogma to be incoherent?
I fully understand how you feel.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThat's a quote saying my view is foolishness. Why not explain the logic or the coherence of the dogma - of "consequences" and "justice" - if you can [and if you want to]? Directing the word "foolishness" - written by somebody else - at me does not engage what I have put to you and so it is not genuine conversation.
There is no surprise there. According to 1 Corinthians 1:18, “The gospel of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing but to those who are being saved it is the power of God.”
Originally posted by @fmfYou're trying--- and rightfully failing--- to apply the logic of your limited and extremely short-sighted thinking to absolute truth: no wonder you're in a perpetual state of confusion.
So the fact that you make no secret of believing that there are no consequences for you stemming from all the wrongs you have committed in their lifetime, you also claim you will "face the justice of God that is revealed in the Bible, something rendered nonsensical and cock-the-snookingly smug by your preceding claim.
Added to all this is the supposed fact ...[text shortened]... ce" for you and "justice" for non-believers - might find your convoluted dogma to be incoherent?
The scale of values you hold simply aren't enough to spark the engine, let alone keep it going.
It's been said before and apparently requires repeating:
No one dies for sin.
No one pays for sin, either personal transgressions or generically.
Sin has been paid for, thoroughly and completely.
You did hit the nail on the head, however, when you said
And it all comes down to thoughtcrime.
What we think is the issue.
What we think about the Christ.
What we think about His gift.
What we think puts us in good standing with God.
It goes on from there, certainly, but that is the issue with salvation.
As far as your petty insults with the impressive-sounding pejoratives go, they're quaint, but in the scope of things, you're standing on the shore of the ocean squeaking out your protest against the tidal wave... and the stars don't even notice.
Originally posted by @freakykbhThanks for your perspective.
As far as your petty insults with the impressive-sounding pejoratives go, they're quaint, but in the scope of things, you're standing on the shore of the ocean squeaking out your protest against the tidal wave... and the stars don't even notice.
Originally posted by @freakykbhThank you for your revealing thoughts. "Absolute truth". Righty ho. I'll ponder that some more. Thanks.
You're trying--- and rightfully failing--- to apply the logic of your limited and extremely short-sighted thinking to absolute truth: no wonder you're in a perpetual state of confusion. The scale of values you hold simply aren't enough to spark the engine, let alone keep it going.
Originally posted by @freakykbhAgain pal your doctrine is not in the Bible. Its man man-made hogwash. This is the 4th time I asked you to produce references for things you said and you ran away like a pussy. Where in the Bible could we find these statements which you think is Gods truth:
You're trying--- and rightfully failing--- to apply the logic of your limited and extremely short-sighted thinking to absolute truth: no wonder you're in a perpetual state of confusion.
The scale of values you hold simply aren't enough to spark the engine, let alone keep it going.
It's been said before and apparently requires repeating:
[b]No one die ...[text shortened]... the ocean squeaking out your protest against the tidal wave... and the stars don't even notice.
No one dies for sin.
No one pays for sin, either personal transgressions or generically.
Sin has been paid for, thoroughly and completely.
Lets see them. Thanks
And continuing, where can we find these statements about 'thinking'
What we think is the issue.
What we think about the Christ.
What we think about His gift.
What we think puts us in good standing with God.
It goes on from there, certainly, but that is the issue with salvation.
Please .. ;lets see some references.
Originally posted by @fmfThat's not what I see going on with you fellows exasperated with dj2becker.
That people get fed up of you is not because you are clever or have good arguments, it's because your teenage gimmicks and chip-on-your-shoulder trolling make you seem like a jerk.
Unlike verbose and wordy me who replies with long posts -
easy to skip over, your concise little criticisms are met with equally concise little cross examinations.
You guys seem not to be able stand that.
He meets you with your own style on your on ground.
But its "Discussion" - when YOU do it.
And its "Trolling" - when someone replies to you in kind.