“I believe every word in the bible”

@fmf said
Does this mean that, if you were to write a 2,000-word essay about the issue of texts being copied over thousands of years, you could make a stronger case than you do by simply quoting 2 Titus 3:16?

Most certainly, as I could use many more meaningful Scriptures on this subject, and search out all the facts; and then, spend two weeks putting together the essay. Which, I'm not doing.

@fmf said
How does a Jew, for instance, who believes that Jesus was a fake and an imposter get "saved"?

By faith in God.
[Hebrews 11:6 NKJV] "6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [Him], for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and [that] He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."
Nothing more is required than diligently seeking Him out. Jesus already paid for their sins whether one believes in Him or not. "No one comes to the Father but by Him (paraphrased)." Jesus already paid if one is diligently seeking out God. Salvation is NOT a tightrope walking contest to see who goes the farthest.

@kingdavid403 said
By faith in God.
[Hebrews 11:6 NKJV] "6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [Him], for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and [that] He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."
Nothing more is required than diligently seeking Him out. Jesus already paid for their sins whether one believes in Him or not. "No one comes to the Father but by Him (paraphrased)."

You believe faith in Jesus, in who he was, what he did, and what his life meant, is not required for "salvation"?

@kingdavid403 said
no, do you have a link?

A link? No. But I have read several of his books. The Triumph of Christianity, most recently. A good read.

@fmf said
You believe faith in Jesus, in who he was, what he did, and what his life meant, is not required for "salvation"?

No. Diligently seeking out God is the only requirement. However, they are saved by Jesus and no one else; no matter what they believe.
There is NO scripture or scriptures that says one must believe in, or accept Jesus as their savior for salvation. However, it sure don't hurt either, that's for sure.

@fmf said
A link? No. But I have read several of his books. The Triumph of Christianity, most recently. A good read.

I'll look into it and see what I can find. Thanks. 🙂

@kingdavid403 said
Most certainly, as I could use many more meaningful Scriptures on this subject, and search out all the facts; and then, spend two weeks putting together the essay. Which, I'm not doing.

So, this hypothetical 2,000 word essay by you, making a "strong case", would simply offer more quotes from the texts we are talking about?

@fmf said
So, this hypothetical 2,000 word essay by you, making a "strong case", would simply offer more quotes from the texts we are talking about?

No, it would have much more than scriptures.

@kingdavid403 said
Well sir, you can study that out just as well as I can.

You seem to be suggesting here that you have studied this topic "well". Who are the scholars and textual critics who are experts on this issue that you have most disagreed with and whose analysis you have felt you had to reject while arriving at the opinions on the veracity of "originals" and "copies" that you hold?

@kingdavid403 said
No, it would have much more than scriptures.

But, in order to write this 'essay' ~ with "much more than scriptures" ~ you'd have to go look up the answer to "What century are the oldest existing texts from?" and then, whatever you found out about that, you are sure it would definitely help make your "strong case" stronger, right?

@kingdavid403 said
No. Diligently seeking out God is the only requirement. However, they are saved by Jesus and no one else; no matter what they believe.
There is NO scripture or scriptures that says one must believe in, or accept Jesus as their savior for salvation. However, it sure don't hurt either, that's for sure.

I suggest you start a thread about this.

It's not the prevailing Christian perspective that's been aired on this forum these last however many years.

It could well lead to a very interesting discussion.

@fmf said
You seem to be suggesting here that you have studied this topic "well". Who are the scholars and textual critics who are experts on this issue that you have most disagreed with and whose analysis you have felt you had to reject while arriving at the opinions on the veracity of "originals" and "copies" that you hold?

That sir would take some in-depth studying. Christianity took a very liberal turn in the 17th century; where they didn't believe the Word of God to be actually true.
Such as: "Jesus didn't really die on the cross and resurrect, but He would have if He really had to." Etc. But they still called themselves Christians and went to church etc. There was quite a Battle for over 200 years since then between Conservative believers, and liberal believers, on the Truth of God's Holy Word. And yes, I've studied many great supposed Christian Theologians who felt God's Holy Word was not accurate.

@fmf said
I suggest you start a thread about this.

It's not the prevailing Christian perspective that's been aired on this forum these last however many years.

It could well lead to a very interesting discussion.

They can read it here. Feel free if you wish. I agree it would be a good discussion. However, It is as I say. There is NO scriptures that say one must believe in Jesus, or accept Him as their savior for salvation; NONE! Simple as that.
Again, if one believes in God, and they diligently seek Him out for a relationship, Jesus already paid. Praise God! 🙂

@kingdavid403 said
They can read it here. Feel free if you wish. I agree it would be a good discussion.

If it is your Christian belief, I think you should start a thread about it. I am not a Christian. As you say, it would be a good discussion. Here, this fundamental belief of yours is hidden away on page 8 of a thread basically about something else.

@fmf said
If it is your Christian belief, I think you should start a thread about it. I am not a Christian. As you say, it would be a good discussion.

I am not a Christian.
What better person than you to start a thread on this subject? I'll be there, go for it. You can reference me and my posts if you wish.