1. Standard memberCrowley
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    26 Jan '08 22:37
    This is a loss for all forms of the game.

    An awesome player, one of the best wicketkeeper/batsmen of all time, always exciting to watch and someone who could turn a match on its head.

    You'll be missed, Mr. squashball...


    Who will take the gloves for the Aussies now? Do you have someone who can fill his boots?
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    26 Jan '08 22:51
    It was always going to happen and it will be sad to see him go.

    However, I am all for the evolution of the team and the need to get some younger players in.. so in that sense, it seems like a reasonable time to get the next bloke in - especially while the team is still reasonably strong.

    The next keeper will be Brad Haddin - he's been the next choice keeper when Gilchist has "rested" or not been available. He's a fairly handy batsman but no Gilchist! ...but a reasonable enough replacement.
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    27 Jan '08 05:32
    Originally posted by AussieG
    It was always going to happen and it will be sad to see him go.

    However, I am all for the evolution of the team and the need to get some younger players in.. so in that sense, it seems like a reasonable time to get the next bloke in - especially while the team is still reasonably strong.

    The next keeper will be Brad Haddin - he's been the next choice ...[text shortened]... lable. He's a fairly handy batsman but no Gilchist! ...but a reasonable enough replacement.
    Just think if Warne was still playing and you had to replace Gilchrist! How har would that have been for a new keeper...
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    27 Jan '08 09:27
    Well, Gilchrist took over from Ian Healy and that worked out well. So I have no doubt that the new keeper would make the transition fairly well.
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    27 Jan '08 11:22
    Originally posted by Crowley
    This is a loss for all forms of the game.

    An awesome player, one of the best wicketkeeper/batsmen of all time, always exciting to watch and someone who could turn a match on its head.

    You'll be missed, Mr. squashball...


    Who will take the gloves for the Aussies now? Do you have someone who can fill his boots?
    Gilly was a true legend of the game. I will miss watching him play (as will the rest of the cricket fans, even the Kiwis).
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    Undoubtedly one of the best keepers & sportsman, the game has ever seen.
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    27 Jan '08 19:33
    Originally posted by gaurav2711
    Undoubtedly one of the best keepers & sportsman, the game has ever seen.
    Stats-wise, I believe he is raedas the second best ever.
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    Originally posted by Crowley
    Stats-wise, I believe he is raedas the second best ever.
    And who is the best then?
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    28 Jan '08 08:17
    Originally posted by boarman
    And who is the best then?
    Andy Flower.
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    28 Jan '08 09:10
    Originally posted by Crowley
    Andy Flower.
    Now you have said some funny things but this beats the cake.

    Gilchrist has just claimed the world record for dismissals,has hit the most centuries by a keeper.Scored the most runs by a keeper.

    So explain yourself Crowley old chap.

    You cant just go on his batting average
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    Oh don't take it too seriously! He's only joking. C'mon.
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    28 Jan '08 09:41
    Originally posted by AussieG
    Oh don't take it too seriously! He's only joking. C'mon.
    Surely he must be ,but this is the same man that said Kallis is better than Sobers.
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    Originally posted by boarman
    Now you have said some funny things but this beats the cake.

    Gilchrist has just claimed the world record for dismissals,has hit the most centuries by a keeper.Scored the most runs by a keeper.

    So explain yourself Crowley old chap.

    You cant just go on his batting average
    Well firstly, Boucher will overtake Gilly in no time in the record of dismissals and all that is is a product of matches played.
    Flower was definitely not as good a keeper as Gilly, but his batting was much better especially in the test arena. They were very different in their approach and Gilly's impact on the ODI arena is much bigger than that of Flower.

    Don't forget he had to overcome playing for a country that played much less international cricket than the aussies did and didn't have half the resources.
    He had to basically had to carry an under performing team as top order batsman and captain.
    Taking all this into account makes him a better player than Gilly in my eyes.

    I don't know what other criteria you would use to judge a players' batting strength other than average?
    Would you rate, say Kallis, as a better batsman than Bradman because he has scored more runs?
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    28 Jan '08 10:02
    Originally posted by boarman
    this is the same man that said Kallis is better than Sobers.
    Well, he is, or is at least right up there with Sobers.
    You guys couldn't 'prove' me wrong and just stopped debating the issue, so I chalked it up as a victory of common sense over emotional ties to the past 'golden age'.
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    28 Jan '08 10:13
    Originally posted by Crowley
    Well firstly, Boucher will overtake Gilly in no time in the record of dismissals and all that is is a product of matches played.
    Flower was definitely not as good a keeper as Gilly, but his batting was much better especially in the test arena. They were very different in their approach and Gilly's impact on the ODI arena is much bigger than that of Flower. ...[text shortened]... uld you rate, say Kallis, as a better batsman than Bradman because he has scored more runs?
    Yes ,Boucher has played more tests and will reclaim the record ,but as for now its Gilly's.

    So back to the better keeper debate.

    You have just said that Flower was not as good a keeper as Gilly,this ends the debate right there.
    Flower was a batsman that could keep a bit of wicket.Yes he was a solid batter.
    Gilly had that aura about him,opposing teams didnt feel safe until he was out,he could turn a game around,win games with his explosive batting.I dont think we will see another keeper like him for a while.

    Asfor averages,well they are not always what you see either.Mitchell Johnson of Australia has an average of 90,does that make him the 2nd best of all time,i say no.Hussey is averaging 80 odd ,but i dont think he is anywhere near Tendulkar or Lara.Averages are funny things.
    The exception with Bradman is all his other stats besides his average.
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