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    18 Oct '10 20:48
    MJ said Kobe is "definitelly one of the top 10 guards of all time". Kobe didn't like it, of course. A lot of people didn't like. But I've just want to make a list... what do you think? It's not definitive...

    PG
    1—Magic Johnson
    2 – Isiah Thomas
    3 – Jason Kidd
    4- Steve Nash
    5 – Bob Cousy

    SG
    1-Michael Jordan
    2-Oscar Robertson
    3-Kobe Bryant
    4-Jerry West
    5-Allen Iverson

    SF
    1-Larry BIRD
    2-Lebron James
    3-Julius Erving
    4-Elgin Baylor
    5-Clyde Drexler

    PF
    1-Karl Malone
    2-Tim Duncan
    3-Charles Barkley
    4-Kevin Mchale
    5-Dirk Nowitski

    C
    1-Hakeem Olajuwon
    2-Wilt Chamberlain
    3-Shaquille O’Neal
    4-Bill Russell
    5-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
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    18 Oct '10 21:271 edit
    Originally posted by monteirof
    MJ said Kobe is "definitelly one of the top 10 guards of all time". Kobe didn't like it, of course. A lot of people didn't like. But I've just want to make a list... what do you think? It's not definitive...

    PG
    1—Magic Johnson
    2 – Isiah Thomas
    3 – Jason Kidd
    4- Steve Nash
    5 – Bob Cousy

    SG
    1-Michael Jordan
    2-Oscar Robertson
    3-Kobe Bryant
    4-J ...[text shortened]... em Olajuwon
    2-Wilt Chamberlain
    3-Shaquille O’Neal
    4-Bill Russell
    5-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    Bill Simons in his book of basketball puts Russell and the top center and Kareem as second and Wilt as third. That rings true to me.

    If these sort of lists or ranking of players interests you, I'd highly recommend his book (an extra plus to the book is the fact that he's a great writer and very funny)
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    19 Oct '10 03:31
    There have been too many great players.... Let's see...

    PG
    1--Magic Johnson
    2--Isiah Thomas
    3--John Stockton
    4--Jason Kidd
    5--Steve Nash

    SG
    1--Michael Jordan
    2--Kobe Bryant
    3--Oscar Robertson
    4--Jerry West
    5--Clyde Drexler

    SF
    1--Larry Bird
    2--Julius Erving
    3--Elgin Baylor
    4--John Havlicek
    5--Scottie Pippen

    PF
    1--Tim Duncan
    2--Karl Malone
    3--Kevin McHale
    4--Pau Gasol
    5--Charles Barkley

    C
    1--Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    2--Bill Russell
    3--Wilt Chamberlain
    4--Shaq
    5--Hakeem Olajuwon
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    19 Oct '10 15:00
    Originally posted by monteirof
    MJ said Kobe is "definitelly one of the top 10 guards of all time". Kobe didn't like it, of course. A lot of people didn't like. But I've just want to make a list... what do you think? It's not definitive...

    PG
    1—Magic Johnson
    2 – Isiah Thomas
    3 – Jason Kidd
    4- Steve Nash
    5 – Bob Cousy

    SG
    1-Michael Jordan
    2-Oscar Robertson
    3-Kobe Bryant
    4-J ...[text shortened]... em Olajuwon
    2-Wilt Chamberlain
    3-Shaquille O’Neal
    4-Bill Russell
    5-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    Drexler was a SG...

    PG
    1 - Magic Johnson
    2 - Isiah Thomas
    3 - John Stockton
    4 - Jason Kidd
    5 - Gary Payton

    SG
    1-Michael Jordan
    2-Oscar Robertson
    3-Jerry West
    4-Kobe Bryant
    5-Clyde Drexler

    SF
    1-Larry Bird
    2-Julius Erving
    3-Lebron James
    4-Elgin Baylor
    5-Dominique Wilkins

    PF
    1-Karl Malone
    2-Tim Duncan
    3-Charles Barkley
    4-Dirk Nowitski
    5-Chris Webber

    C
    1-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    2-Hakeem Olajuwon
    3-Shaquille O’Neal
    4-Wilt Chamberlain
    5-Bill Russell
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    19 Oct '10 16:261 edit
    Thanks for the indication.

    Drexler played both SF and SG, didn't he?

    The center position is the tuffest one to rank, I guess. All those five are great. Considering numbers, you gotta pick Russell or Wilt as number one. But The sickest one I've seen is Hakeem. And I believe he would destroy Kareem with his athleticism and post moves.
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    19 Oct '10 18:16
    Originally posted by monteirof
    Thanks for the indication.

    Drexler played both SF and SG, didn't he?

    The center position is the tuffest one to rank, I guess. All those five are great. Considering numbers, you gotta pick Russell or Wilt as number one. But The sickest one I've seen is Hakeem. And I believe he would destroy Kareem with his athleticism and post moves.
    Kareem was a six time MVP, a 19 time all star with six championships. He is first in career points, If you like advanced metrics he led the league in PER nine times and was first or second in each of his first twelve years. He also was first career in offensive win shares and second career in defensive win sharres. I don't think people should judge him by the end of his career. Hakeem may be truly great, but did you ever think he was better than Jordan? Kareem was clearly the best player of 70s.
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    19 Oct '10 19:59
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Kareem was a six time MVP, a 19 time all star with six championships. He is first in career points, If you like advanced metrics he led the league in PER nine times and was first or second in each of his first twelve years. He also was first career in offensive win shares and second career in defensive win sharres. I don't think people should judge him ...[text shortened]... t, but did you ever think he was better than Jordan? Kareem was clearly the best player of 70s.
    Hakeem must be better than MJ...he was drafted higher. LOL
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    19 Oct '10 20:14
    Originally posted by shortcircuit
    Hakeem must be better than MJ...he was drafted higher. LOL
    It was the last time someone thought Hakeem was better.
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    19 Oct '10 20:474 edits
    the problem with these lists are that they seem to be focused on who were the best offensive and-or rebounding players in the NBA. But defense is as important as offense -- so who were the best defensive players of all time? Is there a good way of figuring this out statistically?

    Much can be said for Kareem's sky-hook -- but who was the best at stopping the sky-hook? Who was the best at stopping Jordan, Bird, Magic or Shaq? (or at least minimizing their damages).

    the one exception is Bill Russell -- probably remembered more for his defense than his offense -- with much of his fame coming from clearly being the best at stopping Wilt.
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    19 Oct '10 21:26
    Don't want to look like underrating Kareem. He sure was great and he's stats are amazing. I was considering Bill Russell titles and Wilt crazy averages when I mentioned numbers. But if you look at career stats, then Kareem is the best. Still, I think Olajuwon (at his prime) is better than Kareem (at his prime). And Olajuwon, despite he's amazing offensive package, is one of the best defenders ever (lead the league in blocks). And, please, MJ is the best ever. Nobody here disconsidered that.
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    19 Oct '10 21:33
    Interesting, nobody mentioned KG for PF. I was between him and Dirk. I'm not really sure of who's better.
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    MJ couldn't hold the Big O's jock and is the most overrated player there ever was.
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    20 Oct '10 03:57
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    MJ couldn't hold the Big O's jock and is the most overrated player there ever was.
    oh you're back! Do you want to respond to my points from the last thread?
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    20 Oct '10 04:29
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    so who were the best defensive players of all time?
    PG
    1. Gary Payton
    2. John Stockton
    3. Walt Frazier
    4. Jason Kidd
    5. Dennis Johnson

    *Rajon Rondo and Chris Paul could potentially be on this list at the end of their careers

    SG
    1. Sidney Moncrief
    2. Michael Jordan
    3. Kobe Bryant
    4. Joe Dumars
    5. Alvin Robertson

    SF
    1. Scottie Pippen
    2. Bobby Jones
    3. Ron Artest
    4. Bruce Bowen
    5. Michael Cooper

    PF
    1. Kevin Garnett
    2. Dennis Rodman
    3. Tim Duncan
    4. Mark Eaton
    5. Ben Wallace

    C
    1. Bill Russell
    2. Wilt Chamberlain
    3. Hakeem Olajuwon
    4. Kareem Abdul-Jabaar
    5. Alonzo Mourning
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    16 Nov '10 11:04
    I think the official list goes as follows:

    PG
    Magic
    Stockton
    Nash
    Pistol Pete
    Gary Payton

    SG
    Kobe (number 1 overall)
    MJ
    Big O
    Allen Iverson
    Jerry West

    SF
    Lebron
    Larry Bird
    Dr j
    Elgin Baylor
    Dominique the freak


    PF
    Tim Duncan
    Shawn Kemp (before he got into drugs)
    KG
    Dirk
    Mailman

    C
    Wilt
    Shaq
    Kareem
    Bill
    Hakeem
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