18 Nov '09 22:30>
Can't believe that the french national footy team have cheated their way to the world cup, by playing Thierry Henry - someone who is blatantly Italian.
Originally posted by Fleabittenyes, france are complete bollocks. over the two games, ireland were the better team... without question. we just never took our chances but still we were cheated.
Was there ever any doubt that the French were going to go through, no matter what it took to get them there? Any doubt at all? Show of hands: when the draw was Ireland/France, who thought Ireland had any chance? Anyone?
Originally posted by trev33Then you are far less cynical than I, my friend. My thinking Ireland had no chance has nothing to do with the comparative quality of the teams. As soon as the 'seeded pot' idea was announced, I put my money squarely on France and Portugal going through, regardless of who they drew. To Portugal's credit, they at least were the better side in their tie.
yes, france are complete bollocks. over the two games, ireland were the better team... without question. we just never took our chances but still we were cheated.
Originally posted by Fleabittenrussia top 15 in world rankings, semis of the euros last year, out. beaten by slovenia, not even in the euros a couple of years ago who finished second in one of the weakest groups and ranked forty something in the world rankings. i didn't like the fact that it was a seeded draw but the 'top 4' team weren't guaranteed a place in the finals, which was shown tonight.
Then you are far less cynical than I, my friend. My thinking Ireland had no chance has nothing to do with the comparative quality of the teams. As soon as the 'seeded pot' idea was announced, I put my money squarely on France and Portugal going through, regardless of who they drew. To Portugal's credit, they at least were the better side in their tie.
Originally posted by trev33I didn't say anything about the 'Top 4' being guaranteed places. I said I put my money on Portugal and France. Barring an utter and unlikely implosion by either team, there was no way they were going to be eliminated. Again, call me cynical, but I've come to find that when it comes to FIFA, cynicism can be profitable.
russia top 15 in world rankings, semis of the euros last year, out. beaten by slovenia, not even in the euros a couple of years ago who finished second in one of the weakest groups and ranked forty something in the world rankings. i didn't like the fact that it was a seeded draw but the 'top 4' team weren't guaranteed a place in the finals, which was shown to ...[text shortened]... eir place in the finals. france do not, since the 2006 world cup final they have been pants.
Originally posted by trev33I didn't see the match, only the highlight footage. It was an obvious handling of the ball, but
sick.
i used to respect henry a lot, not anymore... what a cheating bastard. i hope he gets his legs broken playing for bace, he doesn't deserve to go to the world cup... the whole french team don't, they were terrible.
benzema not playing a minute of the tie? will be shocked if domenech is in charge in s. africa.
what a f$$&*^£^%king joke... twice ...[text shortened]... ket you name it they use some form of technology to decide seriously dodgy plays.
AGHH!!!!
Originally posted by Traveling Againnot in the same league but when west ham played (someone) a few years back the goalkeeper of the other team (think it was the keeper) was lying on the ground injured but the ref was playing on, the ball was crossed into the box and di canio instead of shooting grabbed the ball with his hands and got the ref to stop play. sometimes when the ball has been kicked out of play because of an injury the ball ends up in the back of the net in giving the ball back... can't remember who was playing last season but it was in the lower leagues of english football, anyway the team who scored let the other team score to even things up. i've seen that happen a couple of times.
I didn't see the match, only the highlight footage. It was an obvious handling of the ball, but
can Henry really be blamed? It was worth a try to sneak one past the officials, right? He
probably expected it would be whistled, and there was nothing to lose by giving it a go as the
ball was flying helplessly and peacefully past the post. Ok, ...[text shortened]... win. I can't accept
victory if I didn't earn it the way it should be earned."
Originally posted by FleabittenNEVER underestimate Ireland.
Was there ever any doubt that the French were going to go through, no matter what it took to get them there? Any doubt at all? Show of hands: when the draw was Ireland/France, who thought Ireland had any chance? Anyone?
Originally posted by trev33I'm not aware -- if it's an intentional handball then they're generally sent off?
not in the same league but when west ham played (someone) a few years back the goalkeeper of the other team (think it was the keeper) was lying on the ground injured but the ref was playing on, the ball was crossed into the box and di canio instead of shooting grabbed the ball with his hands and got the ref to stop play. sometimes when the ball has been kicke ...[text shortened]... worse than watching the phillies and the yankees play in the world series.
sick.
Originally posted by Traveling Again
I'm not aware -- if it's an intentional handball then they're generally sent off?
Also, I guess I'm not clear about the nuance between a "cheating" play and an "illegal" one in
football. I saw this play as an illegal touch that should have been called. So the "cheating"
accusations seem severe to me - like saying a basketball player is che ...[text shortened]... if he handled it and the player will admit yes
and a call will be made accordingly?
Are there instances when the ref will ask a player if he handled it and the player will admit yes and a call will be made accordingly?
Originally posted by trev33feel your pain Trev dude! :'(
sick.
i used to respect henry a lot, not anymore... what a cheating bastard. i hope he gets his legs broken playing for bace, he doesn't deserve to go to the world cup... the whole french team don't, they were terrible.
benzema not playing a minute of the tie? will be shocked if domenech is in charge in s. africa.
what a f$$&*^£^%king joke... twice ...[text shortened]... ket you name it they use some form of technology to decide seriously dodgy plays.
AGHH!!!!
Originally posted by hopscotchAgain, my sentiment has/had absolutely nothing to do with who is the better team. Direct from the FIFA website:
NEVER underestimate Ireland.
Also, the French haven't been playing well at all.
Tonight's match was a blight on the face of football.
Originally posted by Fleabitteni won't deny that the fact that fifa wanted france and portugal in the world cup.. more money for them. but fifa wasn't officiating that match, ireland could've scored 5 or 6 over the two legs... i supposed fifa was the reason they didn't? france had a goal disallowed for being just offside and they also had a strong looking penalty shout turned down... it was a dive but still refs have given them, tbh it looked like a pen live. so i guess the ref never got the fifa message then duh?
Of course, I don't wonder why. As I mentioned in another thread, FIFA is interested in the spectacle, not the sport. Like it or not, there was no way France or Portugal were going to be absent from South Africa come next summer.