21 Jul '09 16:28>
Anyone watching the Tour de France????
Originally posted by Melanerpesthe tour started and has finished on sunday it seems....yesterday was entertaining though, as will today's stage i think.
This year's schedule has saved almost all the good stuff for the final few days - so far, it's been rather boring (beyond the green jersey competition).
Right now it looks like Contador will win -- looks like someone is actually better than Lance in the mountains. But is this because of Lance's age and time off, or would Contador have been able to beat ...[text shortened]... mate chance of winning should have to worry about being someone else's domestique.
Originally posted by trev33and the Giants knew they couldn't beat the undefeated Patriots in Super Bowl 42
it's the 'all star teams' that win the tour, proven over time. both kloden and leipheimer have had their chance and they both know they can't beat contador the next best thing is to be on the same team and split the winners prize money.
Originally posted by uzlessI don't believe the cheating has been any worse in cycling than in any other sport. But cycling has been cracking down heavily and has successfully nabbed a lot of cheaters, so there's been a lot of bad press. It's ironic that cycling's image would be a lot better right now if the authorities had chosen to ignore the problem and just let everyone use their drug of choice. I'm glad they didn't do this.
drugs killed this race long ago.
Only the diehards watch it now. If armstrong hadn't returned, no one would care about it.
Time to retire this race to the relic heap.
Originally posted by MelanerpesSeems to me that Armstrong would've gone with the Schlecks, Contador and Kloden if he had the legs. He didn't and neither did anyone else. To say that Armstrong didn't have his chances because of the "team thing" makes no sense. To say that "Armstrong could've have caught up with them" sounds like wishful thinking to me. He might have and he might not have. But clearly he wasn't up to the challenge when the Schlecks put the hammer down.
Today was a great example of why the "team thing" bothers me.
At one point there were only a small number of riders left in the front including Contador and Armstrong. Contador (and the Schleck brothers) then pulled away from the rest, and I wanted Armstrong to go with them. I wanted to see Armstrong throw everything into beating Contador on the mounta ...[text shortened]... s "team-focused" approach ended up screwing up BOTH scenarios. #$%^&&&**&&(()!!!!!!
Originally posted by trev33I'd have a hard time putting Contador above Marco Pantani as a climber from what I've seen thus far. Pantani was truly extraordinary.
the tour started and has finished on sunday it seems....yesterday was entertaining though, as will today's stage i think.
[b]looks like someone is actually better than Lance in the mountains. But is this because of Lance's age and time off, or would Contador have been able to beat Lance at least a couple times in his prime?
it's a shame we didn't s e next best thing is to be on the same team and split the winners prize money.[/b]
Originally posted by Melanerpesthey're not the top 4 riders in the tour. agree that contador and armstrong shouldn't be on the same team but it didn't really matter this year, armstrong doesn't have the legs to keep up with contador which was proven yesterday, team orders didn't play a part in armstrong not following the break yesterday. if he could have went he would have, same with wiggins, brad has done really well this year and he was never expected to be a challenger. yesterday was just to tough for him, but he should do well today if he has the legs.
and the Giants knew they couldn't beat the undefeated Patriots in Super Bowl 42
and the Red Sox knew they couldn't beat the Yankees after losing the first three games.
and Buster Douglas knew he couldn't beat Mike Tyson
and Tom Watson knew a 59-yr old had no chance to contend for a major golf title.
One of the great things about sports is that upset ...[text shortened]... have a very strong team without having arguably the top four riders all on the same team.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOnefunny i thought of pantani when i was writing that, pantani is a legend but i think contador will prove he's a better climber. hard to compare though if you don't see them going head to head.
I'd have a hard time putting Contador above Marco Pantani as a climber from what I've seen thus far. Pantani was truly extraordinary.
Do you really rate Contador higher than Pantani?
Originally posted by Melanerpesi disagree, the only other sport that compares to the doping that's in cycling is baseball it seems. just yesterday the runner up and past winner of the giro d'italia danilo di luca tested positive.
I don't believe the cheating has been any worse in cycling than in any other sport.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI agree - it's pretty clear Armstrong can't live with Contador and the Schlecks when they really go for it in the mountains. He managed to get back to them the day before because they eased off.
Seems to me that Armstrong would've gone with the Schlecks, Contador and Kloden if he had the legs. He didn't and neither did anyone else. To say that Armstrong didn't have his chances because of the "team thing" makes no sense. To say that "Armstrong could've have caught up with them" sounds like wishful thinking to me. He might have and he might not have. But clearly he wasn't up to the challenge when the Schlecks put the hammer down.
Originally posted by trev33baseball is the other sport that's taking the drug issue seriously.
i disagree, the only other sport that compares to the doping that's in cycling is baseball it seems. just yesterday the runner up and past winner of the giro d'italia danilo di luca tested positive.
it is getting better though.
Originally posted by mtthwYes - you can argue that Armstrong just "didn't have the legs".
I agree - it's pretty clear Armstrong can't live with Contador and the Schlecks when they really go for it in the mountains. He managed to get back to them the day before because they eased off.
Apart from the fact that it's completely impossible to enforce this idea of "one big competitor per team", watching the Schleck brothers working together to try ...[text shortened]... nt against it. It was fascinating to watch, and it would be a real shame to split them up.