Originally posted by flexmore there are many positions where more than fifty moves are needed to FORCE a checkmate in the quickest possible way.
there is debate about how these positions should be handled ... both sides to the debate have a good case.
Well, I think the spirit of the rule has to be considered. It is meant as an arbitrary way of ending a drawn position where one of the two sides is for some reason refusing to oblige the draw. Or, if someone has a checkmate but clearly does not know what he is doing. It should not be invoked in situations where it can be demonstarted that a checkmate exists, and that it is necessary to breach the 50-move rule to achieve it. Just one patzer's opinion.
Originally posted by flexmore there are many positions where more than fifty moves are needed to FORCE a checkmate in the quickest possible way.
there is debate about how these positions should be handled ... both sides to the debate have a good case.
Except that as it stands right now the rule is a hard 50 moves with no exceptions. At one point there were certain material combinations where it was ignored. This is no longer the case under FIDE rules.
there is no position possible that requires more than 50 moves to force mate. the hardest is with king, knight and bishop against king and it doesnt require 50 moves regardless of where you set up the pieces...
Originally posted by Starryknight14 there is no position possible that requires more than 50 moves to force mate. the hardest is with king, knight and bishop against king and it doesnt require 50 moves regardless of where you set up the pieces...
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White to move and mate in 65 with 1. Bf5 (every other move draws).
And you wanted to be an elitist. ðŸ˜
Others are known. KNNKP can take up to 115 moves and can contain periods of 50 moves with no pawn moves under optimal play.
Also one I didn't know but found out about recently was KRP(rook pawn on original square (a/h2)) vs. KP(blockading the other pawn)B(opposite colour to the opponent's pawn).
As a very mediocre player I suggest that the rule is the same as the stalemate. There are situations in which one has clearly the advantage, but a stalemate is it. Such arte the rules. IF a checkmate can't be raeched under 50 moves, you just had bad luck.
Originally posted by Starryknight14 yes xanthos but in your game it is a draw with correct defense. what was discussed was forced mate... Learn how to read Moran.
You're an idiot. The position I posted is a forced mate in 65.
That means that if both white and black play the best move the entire time it will be 65 moves until white mates black.