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@ghost-of-a-duke saidNo, Jesus was probing to see if they could see his divinity.
He asked why they were calling him good when only God was good. CLEARLY this is Jesus saying he was not God and shouldn't be described as good.
This couldn't be any clearer and you are simply demonstrating the Christian tendency for biblical blindness.
He was more blunt with Philip when he said to him “if you have seen me you have seen the father”.
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@divegeester saidThe 'Jesus was just probing' them argument has always been a bit of a stretch. (Was he really that needy? )
No, Jesus was probing to see if they could see his divinity.
He was more blunt with Philip when he said to him “if you have seen me you have seen the father”.
Odd then that you chose to deny the obvious interpretation on the above and yet willingly take a literal understanding of “if you have seen me you have seen the father”
Mother Terresa no doubt believed she was doing the work of God and that God Himself could be seen in her actions. Couldn't she equally have said (in a non literal sense) “if you have seen me you have seen the father”. Can't all representatives of something say that?
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidAlways?
The 'Jesus was just probing' them argument has always been a bit of a stretch.
I’ve not heard it before.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidNothing “odd” at all.
Odd then that you chose to deny the obvious interpretation on the above and yet willingly take a literal understanding of “if you have seen me you have seen the father”
You text you cite is wide open to different interpretations, the quote to Philip isn’t.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidNow that IS a “stretch”!
Mother Terresa no doubt believed she was doing the work of God and that God Himself could be seen in her actions. Couldn't she equally have said (in a non literal sense) “if you have seen me you have seen the father”. Can't all representatives of something say that?
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@divegeester said'Probing' might be your word, but it's the common defence for a Christian believing Jesus is God. (That Jesus was subtly suggesting He was God, due to being good, leaving bread crumbs for them to follow).
Always?
I’ve not heard it before.
Why are you calling me good (wink wink). Only God is good (wink wink).
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@divegeester saidThis is clearly incorrect.
You text you cite is wide open to different interpretations, the quote to Philip isn’t.
You choose to take it literally as it suits your purpose.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidNo it isn’t.
This is clearly incorrect.
You choose to take it literally as it suits your purpose.
Correct, there is not one person from any religion who doesn’t.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidThis is stupid and irrelevant.
Burt works in a fried chicken shop and puts love into every chicken he batters, embodying the spirit of the company he works for.
If you've seen Burt, you've seen Colonel Sanders.
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@rajk999 saidWhat must I do to inherit eternal life, did Jesus give him a list of things to do, and with that list was it enough? The Jesus you make up in your mind isn't, your Jesus is not the one from scripture he is your creation.
What nonsense !! Here is what Jesus said:
And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. (Luke 18:18-19 KJV)
Are you not seeing that Jesus is in fact denying that he is good and that there is only one good which is God and not Him? Cleary Jesus and God are two separate and distinct entities.
Luke 18
“One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
@ghost-of-a-duke saidHe was asking why He asked Him, He did not deny He was good or God, He was asking why that question was put to Him. Jesus was fully man, and fully God neither of those was "CLEARLY" being addressed by that answer.
He asked why they were calling him good when only God was good. CLEARLY this is Jesus saying he was not God and shouldn't be described as good.
This couldn't be any clearer and you are simply demonstrating the Christian tendency for biblical blindness.
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@kellyjay saidExactly.
He was asking why He asked Him, He did not deny He was good or God, He was asking why that question was put to Him. Jesus was fully man, and fully God neither of those was "CLEARLY" being addressed by that answer.