@spruce112358 said
But the land didn't belong to the British OR to the UN. They couldn't give the land away to anyone because it wasn't their land. The land belonged to the people who lived there.

All lands belong to the people who live there. That's a fundamental, natural right.

For 1000's of years, at various times, people have denied other people their rights, including for ...[text shortened]... ected the British Empire to take charge.

So the events you describe were completely illegitimate.

First of all, you are a liar. This what you wrote .. .. In 1948, the Jews declared independence and expelled over 700,000 Palestinians from 'their' new country. Is a lie.

Next, who the hell are you to say what was illegal over 100 years ago. That piece of land was BRITISH TERRITORY, and part of the BRITISH EMPIRE. The British conquered the Ottoman Empire and took control of the Land of Palestine. You dont like it .. tough. Those were the rules then.

This other bit you wrote .. The land belonged to the people who lived there... is another lie. In any case the Jews and other nations lived there as well. So you really have no point.

You are a typical lying terrorist supporter... you are all the same. No facts, lies, and obscenities.

@cliff-mashburn said
Great. Just Great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZWZXV6xubQ

Let them play with fire. The strong overrun the weak. Its only a matter of time that London and other European cities are run under Sharia Law. China, Israel and a few other countries know how to deal with these people.

@spruce112358 said
Oh wow. I had to look that up. 'Nakba Denial' it turns out is a thing.

But then, it would have to be. Otherwise the justification for what Israel is doing starts to collapse, doesn't it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_denial

Maybe if/when you get this part right we can continue with the discussion. So here is what happened.

-. by a UN approved partition plan the British allocated part of THEIR EMPIRE [note it is a British Colony], to the Jews and another part to the Arabs.
- The Jews accepted the UN Partition Plan and declared Independence in 1948
- The Arabs did not accept it, but wanted all of the land, and joined forces with surrounding Arab states and attacked Israel , ARABS ATTACKED ISRAEL.
- The Arabs lost the war, and 700,000 Arabs willingly fled or where chased out.

That is the truth from the history books. If you accept this we can continue the discussion otherwise this is my last post in this thread.

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Here it is :

The 1948 Arab–Israeli War, also known as the First Arab–Israeli War, followed the civil war in Mandatory Palestine as the second and final stage of the 1948 Palestine war. The civil war became a war of separate states with the Israeli Declaration of Independence on 14 May 1948, the end of the British Mandate for Palestine at midnight, and the entry of a military coalition of Arab states into the territory of Mandatory Palestine the following morning. The war formally ended with the 1949 Armistice Agreements which established the Green Line.

Since the 1917 Balfour Declaration and the 1920 creation of the British Mandate of Palestine, and in the context of Zionism and the mass migration of European Jews to Palestine, there had been tension and conflict between Arabs, Jews, and the British. British policies dissatisfied both Arabs and Jews. Arab opposition developed into the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine, while the Jewish opposition developed into the 1944–1947 Jewish insurgency in Palestine.

The civil war began the day after the adoption of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine 29 November 1947 – which planned to divide the territory into an Arab state, a Jewish state, and the Special International Regime encompassing the cities of Jerusalem and Bethlehem. At the end of a series of offensives that began April 1948, in which Zionist forces had conquered cities and territories in Mandatory Palestine in preparation for the establishment of a Jewish state, Zionist leaders announced the Israeli Declaration of Independence 14 May 1948.[16] The following morning, after the termination of the British Mandate, Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, and expeditionary forces from Iraq entered Palestine.[17][18][19][20] The invading forces took control of the Arab areas and attacked Israeli forces and several Jewish settlements.[21][22][23] The 10 months of fighting took place mostly on the territory of the British Mandate and in the Sinai Peninsula and southern Lebanon, interrupted by several truce periods.[24]

As a result of the war, the State of Israel controlled the area that the UN had proposed for the Jewish state, as well as almost 60% of the area proposed for the Arab state,[25] including the Jaffa, Lydda and Ramle area, Upper Galilee, some parts of the Negev and a wide strip along the Tel Aviv–Jerusalem road. Israel also took control of West Jerusalem, which was meant to be part of an international zone for Jerusalem and its environs. Transjordan took control of East Jerusalem and what became known as the West Bank, annexing it the following year. The territory which became the Gaza Strip was occupied by Egypt.

Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes in the area that became Israel, marking the beginning of the Palestinian refugee problem,[26] in what they refer to as the Nakba (Arabic for "the catastrophe"😉. A similar number of Jews moved to Israel during the three years following the war, including 260,000 from the surrounding Arab states.[27][28][29]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

@spruce112358 said
In 1948, the Jews declared independence and expelled over 700,000 Palestinians from 'their' new country.

Not sure how one could label this 'the fault of Islam.'

Can you explain why you think Islam was the reason for this behavior on the part of the Jews?

"The Nakba (Arabic: النكبة an-Nakbah, lit. 'The Catastrophe' ) was the ethnic cleansing[1] of Palestinians in ...[text shortened]... Palestine was controlled by Israel and at least 15,000 Arabs had been killed.[8][9]"

- Wikipedia

Your first sentence is a blatant lie. Post the truth from a reliable source and I might respond.

@shavixmir said
No, no one is not.

Look. Look in the mirror. Do you see that? That is the face of a person so out of touch with reality and so out of sync with internationalism, that everything he says and thinks is basically wrong.

The whole world is screaming at Israel to reign itself in.
There’s a reason. And that is that they are damaging every drop of goodwill they had left. I ...[text shortened]... om your pores. Not as humor, but as a stagnant stench of moronity, drizzled in a sauce of nastiness.

A load of nonsense lacking in substance, facts and reasonable conclusions. At least you were able to control the tourettes syndrome from which you suffer.

You probably think this is social media. I'm not here looking for friends.

@zahlanzi said
"I do not care about any reason."
there it is. The proof of your inhumanity

"Gaza residents do not quality for my pity or concern. They pray for the death of Jews. They rejoice when Jews are killed. They teach their children in schools to kill Jews. They are an evil and damaged people. I have no pity, man woman or children who rejoice, dance and celebrate the death of ...[text shortened]... lose enough family and it will turn you evil most of times.

What's your excuse you pathetic worm?

They, and you can go to hell. I hope the Jews nuke that stinking place.

@shavixmir said
Ya… I’m not exactly a terrorist, am I?

Fukking retard.

As a supporter cheering them on, you are just as bad.

@spruce112358 said
A coup! Did not know about that. That must have been unsettling.

I think many religions are in a state of flux right now, facing the changes of the modern world. There are several different kinds of Jews, many different kinds of Christians. Vatican 2 was the Catholics doing an update. And I think the same is going on in Islam.

For me, governing and human rights are ...[text shortened]... t of poverty, oppression, and injustice - so get rid of those, and the extremism lessens on its own.

Will respond to this in more detail later. Just a couple points
- Christianity had their bad period several hundred years ago. What does that have to do with me tolerating Islamic extremism now? Nothing. They can go to hell. GTFO of our country.
- Who caused.. ..poverty, oppression, and injustice , in Afghanistan, Sudan, Syria, Yemen and a host of other countries. It is their own extreminst nonsensical religion that caused it. The fault is theirs.

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I know, shout away. However , like the terrorists who do that it will backfire on you. Ask the Palestinians in Gaza. They call 'Death to America', and 'Death to Israel', and they are the ones suffering. When are you terrorists going to learn?

@shavixmir said
They are out protesting Israel, not supporting Hamas.

READ before blurting out nonsense.

There is a thread about protesters supporting Hamas
There are protesters supporting Al Queda
There are American people shouting 'Death to America'
There are American people shouting 'Death to Israel'

But ... I know you like to hear these things and you are in full support of these brainless college morons.

True some of these are illegal immigrants. They should be deported immediately.

The post that was quoted here has been removed

READ before blurting out nonsense.
I said the protests should be put down.
I said nothing about young people.

As you mention that these young people who come out and support terrorism and Hamas should be prosecuted according to the law.

@shavixmir said
It’s not illegal immigration if a refugee is requesting asylum. It’s international law.

90% of the problems jn the Middle-East and Africa were created by the West interfering there. One doesn’t presume the answer is in even more interference, eh.

Nonsense. People have a right to apply for asylum, and the receiving country can accept or reject as they see fit. There is no law that can force a country to accept asylum seekers.

100% of the problems in the MidEast and Africa or any part of the world for that matter is caused by stupidity, poor decision making and corruption. The interference by the Western colonial countries if anything helped them to set up themselves.

Maybe if you lived in one of those countries you wont be regurgitating sophomore college rubbish, and lame excuses about why African countries are poor.

@earl-of-trumps said
'demise' was a bad choice of words.

Tell me something, did you 'care about the reason' when Israel killed 10,000 children?
and please don't tell me - "collateral damage"

I think the only time the IDF killed Hamas fighters is when their mortar went a little wide of target.

I answered that question many times before. My answer has not changed. Its NO. I do not care about any reason.

I feel sorry for people who die, and they tried to live, they wanted to live, they enjoyed a life of peace and happiness, they were good decent people. Those deaths I would wonder why they died.

Gaza residents do not quality for my pity or concern. They pray for the death of Jews. They rejoice when Jews are killed. They teach their children in schools to kill Jews. They are an evil and damaged people. I have no pity, man woman or children who rejoice, dance and celebrate the death of others.

However those people, 25,000 of them who died today of starvation... those I am sorry for and wish I had the power to help... 10,000 of them were children.

@spruce112358 said
Yeah, about that.

Was it a Muslim or even a Palestinian who did something to you or your family? Your level of ... absolutism... is far higher than mere political opinion would account for.

This has to be personal for you. What happened, if you don't mind my asking?

Why would you call what im saying 'absolutism', if you dont mind me asking.

Nothing really too personal. Islamic extremists did a bloody coup and took over this country some years ago and was going to convert all schools to Islam and run the country Sharia style. Luckly we got out of it thanks to the US and other negotiators. That was about 40 yrs ago. After than I took a greater interest in the affiaris of the Jews and studied up on Islam.

Why you cannot see that Islam is a dangerous religion is beyond me. You dont need to be in it. Countries all over the world are suffering because of these Islamic crazies.

@earl-of-trumps said
It's like UN Leader, Guterres, said to Israel: Those actions [Oct 7] did not happen in a vacuum.

The world has this sense that Israel is to blame for their own demise, so why should moderate Muslims feel any different?

Demise? Wishful thinking. Nobody said it did not happen in a vacuum. Jews and Arabs have been at each others throats since early 1900. So nobody cares why Hamas and their supporters would rape, murder, burn babies, kidnap civilians... Nobody cares about the reason. Nobody cares to analyse and find justification. If you want to do that then go right ahead.

Israel needs to respond, and respond so that Hamas would think twice next time.

Im beginning to wonder why you would use the word 'demise', when it is Palestinians demise that is at hand if they continue with their attacks.