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    07 Apr '24 14:45
    @spruce112358 said
    The way to test the truth of this statement is to look at the countries that were never colonized. And then realize that NONE of these countries WISH that had been colonized:

    Thailand
    China
    Japan
    Korea
    Nepal
    Afghanistan
    Iran
    Turkey
    Ethiopia
    Saudi Arabia

    Some of these countries have been invaded (multiple times!), some have done better, some worse. But none ...[text shortened]... a created weakness.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-never-colonized
    Post colonialism period started around 1950 ish. These were all nations wallowing in poverty. Japan and China came out of it. Some like Ethiopia are at the bottom of the barrel.

    I can tell you in my area the places that still are under the British or US are Puerto Rico, Cayman Islands, US Virgin Islands. All are faring better than the rest of the Caribbean.
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    07 Apr '24 14:41
    @spruce112358 said
    You can stop with this BS right here. EVERY colonial power claims this and it is ALWAYS wrong.

    Palestinians have ALWAYS owned the land of Palestine - no matter what foreign power was occupying them at the time - Ottomans, British, whomever.

    700,000 Palestinians were moved OUT of their homes where they had lived for generations to make way for European Jews who want ...[text shortened]... nd should never have happened. But it did happen.

    So now - what's next? Fixing it is what's next.
    You do not understand how things work.
    How does a specific group own the land.
    Were they the governing authority? NO
    Were they sole owners of land? NO

    The truth is that there were many owners of land in Palestine. There were Jews, Arabs, Spanish and other Europeans and even Chinese. Arabs own the largest share but they did not and never did run the country.

    There is nothing to fix. It is a single state region with Israel in charge.
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    07 Apr '24 12:591 edit
    @spruce112358 said
    You have noticed that few of the countries that have 'run amok' over the last hundred years having been Islamic, right? I'm thinking of Germany, Japan, and Russia. I'm defining 'running amok' as 'major invasion of a sovereign country', not minor border disputes, and not counter-invasions (e.g. Allied opposition to fascism). I'm not counting supplying aid to one side in a ...[text shortened]... l group of Islamic states' ready to 'run amok over the world?' Seems like that doesn't really exist.
    Just a few points :
    - Colonialism was good thing. It helped poor countries to rise up out of underdevelopment. The colonial powers built infrastructure, assisted with government and provided technical expertise in all sectors. Its good. Many countries after breaking free of the colonists have gone into the gutter, is now rife will corruption, unproductive, GDP is falling and the country reverts into poverty.
    - Palestinians never owned the land of Palestine. It was a British territory... so was not 'their' land.
    - Islamic countries breed extremists and these groups form themselves into terror cells. The more famous ones are Boko Haram, Taliban, Hamas, Hexbollah, Houthi and several others. These groups have killed by the millions and displaced tens of millions of people. The small ones are growing in European countries and they are causing havoc. Maybe you need to research this. The fact that some of these have Israel to worry about keeps them at bay. They are dangerous and people who ignore these extremists will live to regret it.
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    07 Apr '24 12:51
    @suzianne said
    His attacks on me typically refer to me in the third person. This indicates the tenor and purpose of his post, and classically exposes his holier-than-thou rhetoric.
    Another frustrated lesbian on the loose. Nobody can discuss anything in peace.
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    07 Apr '24 11:57
    @divegeester said
    I suspect that is true of all religious groups; should we not discuss the beliefs of any religious groups?
    I tell you that woman missing dozens of screws with that kind of comment. We cannot discuss anything and she gets offended.
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    07 Apr '24 11:23
    @congruent said
    Could Netanyahu have averted this?

    Body of Israeli hostage recovered from Gaza after 'months of torture'

    Elad Katzir was taken from his kibbutz on 7 October and was twice seen in hostage videos. After his body was found, his sister said he had been abandoned and called the Israeli government "cowardly".
    Yes, he could have wiped out Gaza sometime prior to Oct 7th.
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    07 Apr '24 11:121 edit
    @divegeester said
    I worked with a Mormon many years ago; she believed she was going to eventually get her own planet and that her God lived on a planet called Kobo, or something like that.
    Sounds similar to stuff I have read about peoples experiences with Mormons. Also it is in line with PettyTalk's idea of him having authority over people in hell, and his ability to torment others in hell. They are big on this hell business. When he said King David was in hell for his sins, that was the trigger in my mind that this was a Mormon.

    Got this comment off Quora ... again people who have been Mormons:

    Mormons do not believe they get their own planet. That’s small potatoes. Mormons believe they become Gods and create galaxies and universes as a God. They populate these galaxies with the spirit children they created with the massive amounts of celestial sex the worthy males have with their polygamous harem of wives. Anyone who says this isn’t true – never studied church history or is in denial.

    Mormons lean heavily on plastic surgery because their teachings are all surface level about outside appearances, and prosperity = worthiness. There is pressure to look ideal because if your appearance is ideal – you must be pretty special and worthy. Always put your best foot forward. Never complain and make it appear that you are favored by God. We also have a lot of suicides in UT because of this attitude.
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    07 Apr '24 09:13
    @mchill said
    My Lutheran bible study classes seem pretty orthodox and boring compared to these two.
    What do you find interesting? Personally their view of paradise is different, and the part about men having many wives in heaven / paradise seems weird and contrary to the bible.
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    07 Apr '24 09:11
    @suzianne said
    So what exactly is your purpose with this 'exposé'?
    I thought is was obvious that we get to discuss another sect, and expand our knowledge. PettyTalk is here to assist.
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    07 Apr '24 02:31
    We have a Mormon among us, probably for the first time. He is Mr. Petty Talk, very vocal around here, so this should be an interesting discussion, comparing JWs and Mormons. This was extracted off Quora.

    https://qr.ae/psFpO9

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    Q : What are the differences between what Mormons & Jehovah's Witnesses believe?

    A: I was once a baptized Mormon and active. I am now one of Jehovah's Witnesses and have been for many years . On a positive note, I want to share the commonalities of both teachings. Both faiths are very family focused. A strong clean, moral family is the emphasis of both faiths. Also both faiths encourage weekly worship and study. There is also the reaching out and helping fellow members and neighbors when there is a physical need. A strong bond is built among fellow believers. Both faiths are organized and have several levels of oversight.

    Now I will share the differences:

    The LDS church believe that the gift of prophecy is still being used through their earthly leader. Whereas, the Jehovah's witnesses do not believe they are prophets or can prophecy.

    There is one main unresolved difference between Mormons and the other Bible based religions. And that is the LDS church base their religion on their prophet Joseph Smith’s inspired revelation from a angel, which is a book of new scriptures. Which is known today, as the Book of Mormon, also of great importance is another book called the Pearl of Great Price. Their religion revolves around these and other books. They use the Bible, but believe it is inferior because it is improperly translated and less trustworthy than The Book of Mormon. Often many Mormons are not as skilled in the use of the Bible as they are in the Book of Mormon.

    Jehovah's Witnesses base all their major teachings on the Bible. None of them claim to be prophets or can prophecy. However, most are well trained in the scriptures and are very skilled and capable of using all translations of the Bible. So Witnesses do not base their reliance on only one translation. Jehovah's Witnesses use their translation because it puts back Jehovah's name in the Bible. Much effort has gone into making sure this is done correctly.

    Another main difference is their view of paradise. Or in the Mormon's case? They believe in more than one paradise. Three worlds or heavens. The first world/ heaven is the greatest reward after death because God and Jesus dwells there. The second world/ heaven is not so great but there is a bridge between world/heaven one and two and Jesus visits. So if you are not a great dead Mormon you can become a greater one and at some point be allowed to pass over into the greater world/heaven. Then there is the last world/heaven where the Holy Spirit visits. No bridge there. And then there is a another place that is darkness. That is basically where really bad people go and they never can get off this world/heaven or the other dark place. All this was confusing to me because it was a heaven, but people had physical bodies.

    There also a private sealing ceremony done in their Salt Lake temple of faithful Mormons. Once sealed. They then are to wear a white undergarment which must be worn at all times. Other than bathing or changing. This marks a Mormon as a special chosen one for special rewards after death. There is also other secret ceremonies that take place in their local places of worship.

    The Witnesses teach of only one Paradise ruled by a heavenly organization in which Jesus is king and at his side are a 144,000 resurrected faithful loyal ones. They rule over perfect humans on the earth for a 1,000 years while all humans work to restore the earth to perfection. During this time all those asleep in death will be resurrected. At the end of the 1,000 years the earth will be restored to a paradise and all faithful perfect humans will be granted everlasting life Jehovah's Witnesses don't have secret ceremonies.

    Mormon’s also teach that males can eventually become Gods ruling over their own universe with many wives or brides..(I corrected this from 144,000 to many wives)

    Not a Jehovah's witnesses teaching

    Mormon’s DO accept the trinity teaching however it varies from other teachings on the Trinity, but NOTE this fact; it still is the Trinity doctrine.

    Jehovah's Witnesses do not. They teach that; God is almighty and called Jehovah, and his son is called Jesus, and they are separate spiritual beings. But unified in purpose. The holy Spirit is Gods active force. This is what they understand through deep research to be the truth. Witness are well researched on this subject.

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    @divegeester said
    I think you’re a full of s*** lightweight waffling nobody with no core, no spiritual principles, no beliefs.

    Copy paste away.
    The man is a Mormon, that is why he does not want to disclose whether or not he is a Christian. These weirdos are worse than the Jehovah Witnesses. They have all kinds of strange beliefs and even stranger lifestyles. Its a cult started by Joseph Smith.
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    06 Apr '24 22:21
    @pettytalk said
    Both David and Solomon will spend time in hell, as they are not above the law. And it won't be just for calling others as fools.

    Jesus will have to go to hell anyhow, since he's the warden of that maximum security prison. Besides, Jesus has to spend more time in LIMBO, where his Master, Socrates, was said to be temporarily residing, as told by one of the more reliable me ...[text shortened]... re, but I'll see you in hell, where you will profit from all my nonsense; you'll be "squeaky" clean.
    You are a deluded piece of garbage. Enjoy your delusion.
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    06 Apr '24 22:091 edit
    @athousandyoung said
    Palestinians aren't allowed to move out.
    Now, maybe. Back in the 1980s prior to Hamas they could have moved. They want Hamas to kill Jews and they stayed to enjoy the show. They are getting a front row view of the movie "The End of Gaza".
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    06 Apr '24 21:451 edit
    @sleepyguy said
    Well I understand your point of view. I used to share it, but no longer. The attitude that we should meddle in other countries affairs for our own advantage because hey it's cheap and works great is an arrogant one, and it breeds contempt for us. Without that approach, would there even have been a 9/11?

    If you had the misfortune to be born in Gaza, and had a child blown ...[text shortened]... age to furthering American interests in the region, who do you think the "bad guys" would be to you?
    Me, born in Gaza? I would have moved out as soon as I read Hamas manifesto in 1988 to kill all Jews. It is a stupid Palestinian, seeing what the Jews are capable of in terms of war, and stands up to fight them. I would have left with my family.

    There is good case for USA providing aid, grants to poor countries, and military aid to allies at war. Its not meddling. It is assisting. I live in one of these poor countries that have already gotten into trouble and needed help. Guyana right now is glad that the US is sitting nearby watching Venezuela. This is the case all over the world

    You living in a rich country wont understand this. You are probably like a rich mans son who does not understand why his dad is helpful to those in need, when he needs the latest sports car instead.
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    06 Apr '24 21:28
    @spruce112358 said
    I'm not sure any American support/intervention in the Middle East has been to our advantage.

    In particular, support for Israel countervails any other positives and leaves us always - at best - somewhat neutral and at worst - 9/11.

    After this latest atrocity in Gaza, we should politely say goodbye to Israel and leave them to their own devices.
    The middle east is a powerful group of Islamic states. If they had been a cohesive group they could easily run amok all over the world. Thankfully they cannot get along among themselves, due to religious differences, and the presence of Israel smack in the middle of them, causes further destabliistion. It is worth it for the western countries to support Israel.
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