Challenges

@very-rusty said
I assumed we were talking about Clan Challenges, and forums not being used in them much. I don't think that matters much so long as you're all in communication on the important things. I am happy doing P.M.'s with my Clanmates and also in the Public forums. I don't think it has anything to do with how well a Clan does at all, even if the forum isn't really active. Now completely dead wouldn't be good!

EDIT: You and I are both in Dark Dragon Club.

-VR

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@ponderable said
I fullheartedly agree to the suggestions:

* Clans that are open for challenges should be marked in the list.
* TER should be given instead of actual rating.

and I add:
* TER should be used for estimating the eligibility in terms of rating gap.

The TER (tournament entry rating)

This can be manipulated as well.
It takes longer but it can be done.

The clan games should have their own rating just like the club's do.

@phil-a-dork said
The TER (tournament entry rating)

This can be manipulated as well.
It takes longer but it can be done.

The clan games should have their own rating just like the club's do.

A clan rating has been suggested many times but has never happened.
I think it's a good idea.

@phil-a-dork said
The TER (tournament entry rating)

This can be manipulated as well.
It takes longer but it can be done.

The clan games should have their own rating just like the club's do.

Yes, it has been voted down at least once I recall.

I think it is a good idea as well.

-VR

@venda said
A clan rating has been suggested many times but has never happened.
I think it's a good idea.

You must recall the VOTE where it was put down.

I had thought it was a good idea also that way the clan rating could never be manipulated again.

-VR

agree a clan rating would have been a good idea, i can't remember how the vote turned out

@ponderable said
I fullheartedly agree to the suggestions:

* Clans that are open for challenges should be marked in the list.
* TER should be given instead of actual rating.

and I add:
* TER should be used for estimating the eligibility in terms of rating gap.

Totally agree with TER - we (Bad Bishops) play all of our games based on TER +/- 50, and will even change a challenge if we think that the opposition has been unfair to themselves.

@mghrn55 said
My 2 bits .......
I have always maintained that the clan challenge feature, when approached as a competition, is contested on 2 fronts:
2 - the opposing clan leaders competing with each other in negotiating their clan challenges.
Just my thoughts.......

It’s true, but I don’t like it.

Personally I think that the clan leaders should be cobbling together a realistic contest, not to win by oneupmanship.

@medullah said
It’s true, but I don’t like it.

Personally I think that the clan leaders should be cobbling together a realistic contest, not to win by oneupmanship.

This happens in sports all the time.
In baseball for example, if in a game in the bottom of the 9th inning, one manager sends out a batter (pinchhitter), the opposing manager will bring in another pitcher, usually a pitcher who has the best chance of getting that batter out.
In ice hockey, coaches do line matching all the time.
And many other sports have tactics within the game itself.
It's all about oneupsmanship.

In clan play, 2 clan leaders will usually arrive at a challenge that is realistic to both sides.
If each leader does their homework.
Negotiation is an integral part of the clan feature.
And no, you don't have to like it. But it is what it is.

@mghrn55

I cant argue with that because it is true.

@very-rusty said
You must recall the VOTE where it was put down.

I had thought it was a good idea also that way the clan rating could never be manipulated again.

-VR

It was never voted down
Russ said it was too complicated

@padger said
It was never voted down
Russ said it was too complicated

I am pretty sure it was voted on padge, lets give you the benefit of doubt here and say Russ said it was too complicated. Another way it would be vetoed. I do recall only the Clan leaders voting on it and complaining about it at the time. It was a long time ago now of course. You would have been here, there was certainly a lot of discussion on it!!!

-VR

@padger said
It was never voted down
Russ said it was too complicated

IT people never say it is too complicated.
They usually say "Nothing is impossible. How much money have you got ?" 😛

@mghrn55 said
IT people never say it is too complicated.
They usually say "Nothing is impossible. How much money have you got ?" 😛

I was once in a meeting with my manager at work where we were asking for some changes to the system.The I.T chap said it wasn't possible.My gaffer replied"If I can say it, you should be able to write a programme to do it".
The changes were made!!

@Wycombe-Al

Having a 'clan entry rating' is to me the single most beneficial change that could be made.

It doesn't make sense, to me, that a rating that is used to set up clan challenges can be subject to manipulation through playing games that have nothing to do with clans

In the meantime I just work to TER & 1 year-rating, as current and 90-day are meaningless really. This is my observation in the few weeks I've been doing the clan leader stuff.

Even a 'CER' wouldn't stop all sandbagging as I see players who resign winning games when they realise the challenge has either been won or lost .... but a 'CER' would be a real improvement