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  1. Joined
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    25 Mar '19 21:16
    Just looked at a few of Mctayto's games.
    For those who don't know, he plays a lot of games.
    But he will resign selected games early where the positions are equal and the game is at least 3 moves in to qualify as a rated game.
    These selected games serve to manipulate his rating downward to enable his clan leader to set him up with easy opponents in clan play.

    This is a person with a history of tossing accusations at others over rating manipulation.

    His clan leader has an intimate knowledge of the previous history of this player.
    Lemondrop needs to answer to the clan community.
    Why does he recruit this one player ?
    But does not recruit anyone else ?
    Site administration is already aware of the suspicious point total of the clan at the top of the clan table.
    But the leader of this clan has remained silent throughout.

    Links to a dozen games provided below.
    I went through the first 70 games on Mctayto's list of completed games.
    One can only speculate how.many suspicious games are out there.

    Game 13170581
    Game 13170579
    Game 13170584
    Game 13166738
    Game 13171203
    Game 13171202
    Game 13171208
    Game 13171205
    Game 13164663
    Game 13164688
    Game 13170942
    Game 13113754
  2. Joined
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    25 Mar '19 22:35
    @mghrn55

    I think management should look at this. Real hard.
  3. Subscriberroma45
    st johnstone
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    26 Mar '19 06:17
    @mghrn55 said
    Just looked at a few of Mctayto's games.
    For those who don't know, he plays a lot of games.
    But he will resign selected games early where the positions are equal and the game is at least 3 moves in to qualify as a rated game.
    These selected games serve to manipulate his rating downward to enable his clan leader to set him up with easy opponents in clan play.

    This is a p ...[text shortened]... d]13171205[/gid]
    Game 13164663
    Game 13164688
    Game 13170942
    Game 13113754
    Total disgrace.
    Antics in any chess club would get them both booted.
  4. SubscriberVery Rusty
    Treat Everyone Equal
    Halifax, Nova Scotia
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    26 Mar '19 10:27
    @roma45 said
    Total disgrace.
    Antics in any chess club would get them both booted.
    You have that one right!

    -VR
  5. Joined
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    27 Mar '19 19:20
    @bobla45 said
    @mghrn55

    I think management should look at this. Real hard.
    I think management knows.
    I think we should just keep plugging at our games and challenges.
    By “we”, I mean our clan and every clan that competes fairly.

    It’s a disgrace that what promises to be a very competitive clan season has to be ruined by a couple of bad characters.
    One of whom was just reinstated for clan participation.
    Hopefully site administration is rethinking that decision.
  6. Joined
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    27 Mar '19 20:06
    And we all know which 2 thumbed down my original post in this thread.
    Which is purely a factual thread containing evidence.
    We also know that they haven't the guts to show their faces in this forum beyond clicking the thumb down button.

    It's disappointing that clans still agree to engage in challenges with this farce of a clan.
    Even while they go around telling other clan leaders to avoid certain clans.
    Yes. We know about that.

    @mctayto even puts it to his profile.
    Besides not knowing what he's talking about when trying to explain rating calculations, he blatantly tells the clan community to avoid certain clans.
  7. SubscriberVery Rusty
    Treat Everyone Equal
    Halifax, Nova Scotia
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    27 Mar '19 20:531 edit
    @mghrn55 said
    @mctayto even puts it to his profile.
    Besides not knowing what he's talking about when trying to explain rating calculations, he blatantly tells the clan community to avoid certain clans.
    I just looked at his profile.
    Sure looks like an admission of guilt to me, at the same time trying to point a finger without having any statistics to back up what he is saying.
    He is also now playing roughly 1400-1500 points below his real rating. I noticed his leader is also playing well below his regular rating. Why draw attention to himself when he and his clan leader are doing far worse than any of the other clans with their ratings?
    -VR
  8. Subscriberlemondrop
    pawn grabber
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    27 Mar '19 22:291 edit
    @mghrn55 said
    Just looked at a few of Mctayto's games.
    For those who don't know, he plays a lot of games.
    But he will resign selected games early where the positions are equal and the game is at least 3 moves in to qualify as a rated game.
    These selected games serve to manipulate his rating downward to enable his clan leader to set him up with easy opponents in clan play.

    This is a p ...[text shortened]... d]13171205[/gid]
    Game 13164663
    Game 13164688
    Game 13170942
    Game 13113754
    you talk about the clan community while all I hear are the sad moans of a failed leader
    I recruited a player who is eligible to play
    I owe no one an explanation
    for the entire existence of the ladder it was always the big clans that won
    now it is my clan of 2 that has shaken the ladder and you, the failed leader, the lone voice cannot accept it
    this will be all I will say on this matter


    edit: my clan plays by far the most challenges, I simply make the challenge and the clan leader either accepts or declines. If this is a problem with you then you don't understand how the ladder works. The other leaders have no problem, only you, the failed leader of a once great clan
  9. Subscriberroma45
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    27 Mar '19 22:47
    @lemondrop said
    you talk about the clan community while all I hear are the sad moans of a failed leader
    I recruited a player who is eligible to play
    I owe no one an explanation
    for the entire existence of the ladder it was always the big clans that won
    now it is my clan of 2 that has shaken the ladder and you, the failed leader, the lone voice cannot accept it
    this will be all I will say on this matter
    It will be interesting to see which of the weasels betrays the other one first
    Both stabbed robbie in the back pair of cowards now who will blame who for yet another pathetic attempt to cheat.

    Totally sad tossers..
  10. Joined
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    28 Mar '19 00:34
    @lemondrop said
    you talk about the clan community while all I hear are the sad moans of a failed leader
    I recruited a player who is eligible to play
    I owe no one an explanation
    for the entire existence of the ladder it was always the big clans that won
    now it is my clan of 2 that has shaken the ladder and you, the failed leader, the lone voice cannot accept it
    this will be all I will ...[text shortened]... he ladder works. The other leaders have no problem, only you, the failed leader of a once great clan
    Is that the best comeback you've got ?
    Name calling ?
    I'm clan leader for not even 2 months and you've put up a pathetic attempt to write me off.
    I'm doing just fine. In fact just warming up, thank you.
    Our clan is right up there with other competitive clans.

    As to your clan ?
    Yes, It plays by far the most challenges.
    It played by far the most challenges for the last 2 years and never "shook the ladder".
    This year is different !!
    You have recruited an individual, fresh off a suspension for past behavior, who is tossing tournament games to manipulate his rating to benefit your clan.

    You say you don't owe an explanation.
    The questions are out there. They're not going away !!
    And you have caught the attention of Site Administration.
    So, instead of labelling me a failed leader, address the questions.

    The dozen of McTayto's games that I posted in this thread are only the tip of the iceberg.
    I saw this behavior from this character 3 years ago.
    You were aware of this.
    Yet you recruited this individual !! Why ??
    If you want to show leadership, address the questions.
    If you don't, the failed leader label will belong to you !!
  11. Subscriberlemondrop
    pawn grabber
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    28 Mar '19 00:45
    @mghrn55 said
    Is that the best comeback you've got ?
    Name calling ?
    I'm clan leader for not even 2 months and you've put up a pathetic attempt to write me off.
    I'm doing just fine. In fact just warming up, thank you.
    Our clan is right up there with other competitive clans.

    As to your clan ?
    Yes, It plays by far the most challenges.
    It played by far the most challenges for t ...[text shortened]... how leadership, address the questions.
    If you don't, the failed leader label will belong to you !!
    ask the other clan leaders who recruited him
    you only focus on me because I'm on top
    again. you are a failed leader looking for excuses as to why you are such a failure
    Shorty would have given us a fight and probably would be on top
    you have been in the clan for a long time
    you should not need time to adjust
    you are a failure
    plain and simple
    no name calling

    just stating a fact
  12. Subscribermoonbus
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    28 Mar '19 01:46
    @mghrn55

    One of the many possible fixes we discussed during the 2016 season was separating individuals’ clan ratings from all other RHP games, so that a player’s clan rating would be based solely on his clan games. This would be easy to code and provide transparence. Perhaps this should be re-considered now.
  13. Joined
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    28 Mar '19 02:14
    @lemondrop said
    ask the other clan leaders who recruited him
    you only focus on me because I'm on top
    again. you are a failed leader looking for excuses as to why you are such a failure
    Shorty would have given us a fight and probably would be on top
    you have been in the clan for a long time
    you should not need time to adjust
    you are a failure
    plain and simple
    no name calling

    just stating a fact
    Poor response.
    Don't have to ask others about your guy.
    They've been dealt with. Remember 2016 collusion ?
    Mctayto's your guy now.
    He's tossing tournament games to lower his rating for your clan.
    Not the other guys' clans. Your clan.
    I've provided you links to 12 games.
    I shouldn't have to give you more.
    But it's not hard to do.
    You know his track record from the past.
    You recruited him.
    He's manipulating his rating as a member of your clan.
    That's not my failure. It's yours !!
    Either you have failed as a clan leader.
    Or you are complicit as a clan leader.
    Either way, you have a choice.
    Deal with the issue. Or keep up the name calling.
    Mctayto is your guy. Not mine.
  14. Joined
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    28 Mar '19 02:221 edit
    @moonbus said
    @mghrn55

    One of the many possible fixes we discussed during the 2016 season was separating individuals’ clan ratings from all other RHP games, so that a player’s clan rating would be based solely on his clan games. This would be easy to code and provide transparence. Perhaps this should be re-considered now.
    Hi. Yes I remember you.
    You and I were the leading proponents of this suggestion.
    I did re-table this in the site announcements when Russ presented the votes on clan size.
    I tend to think this may be a bit of work.
    I involves the creation of a new index which means database changes.
    Of course I could be off the mark a bit.
    It's doable though.
    Depends how much time and effort Russ has the appetite to put forth.
  15. Subscriberlemondrop
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    28 Mar '19 02:22
    @moonbus said
    @mghrn55

    One of the many possible fixes we discussed during the 2016 season was separating individuals’ clan ratings from all other RHP games, so that a player’s clan rating would be based solely on his clan games. This would be easy to code and provide transparence. Perhaps this should be re-considered now.
    I would support a separate clan rating and have a clan entry rating similar to the tournament entry rating
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