Heard a lot of Beethoven music, but do not know a lot of his biography.
I know of the incident where some patrons paid for him to go and take composition lessons from Joseph Haydn. But Beethoven thought that Haydn was not teaching him the things he wanted to know. So he secretly went off to study with another composition teacher of his liking. Of course he kept this a secret from Haydn.
Anyway, Beethoven was somehow getting another musician to do the homework that Haydn was giving him to do. (That's messed up). On top of this Ludwig then asked Haydn to write his patrons and advize them that Ludwig needed more money from them to get by.
" Um, my pupil Mr. Beethoven is short of cash. Can you help ?"
The aged Haydn received a curt reply from Beethoven's patrons upon receiving "samples" of Beethoven's composing assignments, identifying them as pieces known to them. No, he was not to receive more money!
This thing came as an embarressment to Joseph Haydn in the extreme, not to speak of to the young Beethoven. Haydn dismissed him, I do believe.
It was also during a difficult time in Haydn's life because he was heartbroken because of the deaths of two people in his life, one of which was his young friend Mozart. It was just a hassle that Haydn exactly didn't need at the time.
Anyway, Beethoven, in spite of this hooky and getting others to do his homework, went on to prove himself an extremly talented composer.
Unlike a lot of composers Beethoven had a circle of supporters urging him on to be revolutionary and supporting his tendencies to individualism. I can be corrected if wrong. But I think Beethoven had behind him a group of like minded "liberals" for lack of a better politically correct term, urging him on to be the bad boy of symphonic music. And Beethoven played the part well as we know.
What I find curious about Beethoven is his sense that he had learned all that there was to know about composing. If I am not mistaken, in latter life he said he learned nothing from Haydn, which I think is an overstatment. He did not have to do what Mozart and Haydn did because they already laid the tracks for Beethoven. I think he could have acknowledged that.
I think that Beethoven said that it was only from George Fredrich Handel he felt that he could STILL learn something. Very curious. Am I right about that ?
Nice thread. Talk composers with you any time.