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  1. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    11 Aug '08 14:17
    "We’ve reached a point in our civilization where counterculture has mutated into a self-obsessed aesthetic vacuum. So while hipsterdom is the end product of all prior countercultures, it’s been stripped of its subversion and originality."
    http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html

    Well?
  2. 11 Aug '08 15:00 / 2 edits
    Super article. A bit cynical in its scope but rather spot-on as far as the cultural impact of a hipster scene goes, especially in Toronto. Thankfully, I'm too old to bother with the fashion and the pining for acceptance. 😉

    I found this excerpt to be quite amusing:

    "Hipsterdom is the first “counterculture” to be born under the advertising industry’s microscope, leaving it open to constant manipulation but also forcing its participants to continually shift their interests and affiliations. Less a subculture, the hipster is a consumer group – using their capital to purchase empty authenticity and rebellion. But the moment a trend, band, sound, style or feeling gains too much exposure, it is suddenly looked upon with disdain. Hipsters cannot afford to maintain any cultural loyalties or affiliations for fear they will lose relevance.

    An amalgamation of its own history, the youth of the West are left with consuming cool rather that creating it. The cultural zeitgeists of the past have always been sparked by furious indignation and are reactionary movements. But the hipster’s self-involved and isolated maintenance does nothing to feed cultural evolution. Western civilization’s well has run dry. The only way to avoid hitting the colossus of societal failure that looms over the horizon is for the kids to abandon this vain existence and start over."
  3. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    11 Aug '08 15:27
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Super article. A bit cynical in its scope but rather spot-on as far as the cultural impact of a hipster scene goes, especially in Toronto. Thankfully, I'm too old to bother with the fashion and the pining for acceptance. 😉

    I found this excerpt to be quite amusing:

    "Hipsterdom is the first “counterculture” to be born under the advertising industr ...[text shortened]... at looms over the horizon is for the kids to abandon this vain existence and start over."
    That was all outlined a few years back in a book called, "The Power Sell" PB6 has a copy if you are so inclined.
  4. 11 Aug '08 15:42
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    "We’ve reached a point in our civilization where counterculture has mutated into a self-obsessed aesthetic vacuum. So while hipsterdom is the end product of all prior countercultures, it’s been stripped of its subversion and originality."
    http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html

    Well?
    Agreed. Look at all the little girls who want to grow up and be Hannah Montana.
  5. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    11 Aug '08 15:48 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    "We’ve reached a point in our civilization where counterculture has mutated into a self-obsessed aesthetic vacuum. So while hipsterdom is the end product of all prior countercultures, it’s been stripped of its subversion and originality."
    http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html

    Well?
    Well what?


    This goes back to my point about how the clothes a band wears on stage only matters to people who THINK it matters. It doesn't REALLY matter.


    Look, there will always be a segment of society that wants to be cool, to fit in, to have friends. And to do it, they rebel against conformity in a highly conforming way....ie, they all look basically the same. (how many of you bought those ugly ass aviator sunglasses when everyone else started to wear them...)


    It's a perfect irony that gets lost on these people.


    INDIVIDUALITY

    "Always remember that you are unique....just like everybody else"
  6. 11 Aug '08 15:54
    Originally posted by uzless
    This goes back to my point about how the clothes a band wears on stage only matters to people who THINK it matters. It doesn't REALLY matter.
    Where was this discussed?
  7. 11 Aug '08 15:56
    Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
    Agreed. Look at all the little girls who want to grow up and be Hannah Montana.
    This example is about as far from "hipster culture" as can be.
  8. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    11 Aug '08 16:04
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Where was this discussed?
    It doesn't matter: uzless came FIRST!~

    The egg followed.
  9. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    11 Aug '08 16:13
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Where was this discussed?
    The "JAZZ QUESTION" in culture thread
  10. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    11 Aug '08 16:15
    Originally posted by Palynka
    It doesn't matter: uzless came FIRST!~

    The egg followed.
    oh hush palynka. You haven't made a correct argument in about 6 months. Come back after you've taken some lessons in rhetoric. Start with the greeks and then move onto the romans.
  11. Standard member ChronicLeaky
    Don't Fear Me
    11 Aug '08 16:42
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    "We’ve reached a point in our civilization where counterculture has mutated into a self-obsessed aesthetic vacuum. So while hipsterdom is the end product of all prior countercultures, it’s been stripped of its subversion and originality."
    http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html

    Well?
    That is very true, although there is absolutely nothing countercultural about hipsters. They embody everything that is vapid and false about human socialisation. They're so cultural that they are a parody of culture (in the sense of the word other than the one used as the title of this forum). I feel sorry for them, though. It must suck to be unable to divorce aesthetic experiences from their social trappings -- put on some music for a hipster sometime and watch the inevitable look of sneering puzzlement on their face as they desperately and compulsively write a self-consciously cynical album review in their head in hopes of determining whether or not they should like it.
  12. Standard member ChronicLeaky
    Don't Fear Me
    11 Aug '08 16:43 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by darvlay
    This example is about as far from "hipster culture" as can be.
    No, he's being ironic.
  13. 11 Aug '08 16:48
    Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
    That is very true, although there is absolutely nothing countercultural about hipsters. They embody everything that is vapid and false about human socialisation. They're so cultural that they are a parody of culture (in the sense of the word other than the one used as the title of this forum). I feel sorry for them, though. It must suck to be ...[text shortened]... cynical album review in their head in hopes of determining whether or not they should like it.
    I am reminded of this article:

    http://www.theonion.com/content/news/pitchfork_gives_music_6_8
  14. 11 Aug '08 16:54
    Originally posted by darvlay
    This example is about as far from "hipster culture" as can be.
    yEAH, BUT THESE GIRLZ ARE CONSUMING SOMEONE ELSE'S DREAM, or what some ad man thinks their dreams should be...the same as all those suburban kids who go to the Maryiin Manson Superstore, I mean, Hot Topic. Its all related.
  15. 11 Aug '08 17:03
    Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
    yEAH, BUT THESE GIRLZ ARE CONSUMING SOMEONE ELSE'S DREAM, or what some ad man thinks their dreams should be...the same as all those suburban kids who go to the Maryiin Manson Superstore, I mean, Hot Topic. Its all related.
    Indeed. It makes me wonder what kids ever dreamt about before the days of advertising and marketing.