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  1. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    17 Mar '10 08:18
    I must say that there are very specific moments in some of
    The Doors' songs in which I feel that the world will come down
    because I've witnessed pure beauty, e.g. the first change of
    syllable at the start of The End, to name one.

    However, the more I read Jim Morrison's lyrics, the more I... ok,
    let's be honest: unless you have a secret gay attraction for the guy
    or the character he portrayed during his pro career melts your undies
    because you always wished to be a rebel but still managed to fit into
    the rat race, the truth is that the stuff is plain nonsense.

    Of course, The Doors, in general, and Jim, in particular, as cultural
    icons (oh the irony!) and social catalysts of Nowhere, USA, is
    something hard to contest. But the music, man... the music rings
    in my ear as no more than a novelty act, to be honest.

    What are your thoughts?
  2. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    17 Mar '10 10:04
    Originally posted by Seitse
    I must say that there are very specific moments in some of
    The Doors' songs in which I feel that the world will come down
    because I've witnessed pure beauty, e.g. the first change of
    syllable at the start of The End, to name one.

    However, the more I read Jim Morrison's lyrics, the more I... ok,
    let's be honest: unless you have a secret gay attraction ...[text shortened]... ic rings
    in my ear as no more than a novelty act, to be honest.

    What are your thoughts?
    There's were always generous dollops of pose and pretense afoot. That would explain their commercial success, perhaps.
  3. 17 Mar '10 10:36
    Originally posted by Seitse
    I must say that there are very specific moments in some of
    The Doors' songs in which I feel that the world will come down
    because I've witnessed pure beauty, e.g. the first change of
    syllable at the start of The End, to name one.

    However, the more I read Jim Morrison's lyrics, the more I... ok,
    let's be honest: unless you have a secret gay attraction ...[text shortened]... ic rings
    in my ear as no more than a novelty act, to be honest.

    What are your thoughts?
    I utterly guarantee that I could go through your music collection and find a plethera of badly written, nonsensical or plain dull lyrics.

    To me, the Doors were a tiem at college when I had not a care in the world. My housemates and I watched the film, we smoked a lot of dope, we dropped acid, we drove to abandoned houses in the countryside and sat in fields of head high grass, we ran like braves through the forests, we played music together. I don't care whether they were a cultural icon, or how hot Jim was, I care that their songs meant something to me for an inexplicable period of joy. Because of this I can listen to all their music and adore it.

    Except maybe 'Light My Fire', which I've heard too many times and has grown stale through over playing on commercial media.
  4. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    17 Mar '10 10:50
    Originally posted by Starrman
    I utterly guarantee that I could go through your music collection and find a plethera of badly written, nonsensical or plain dull lyrics.
    I only have Frank Zappa stuff in my cabinet.

    Ha!
  5. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    17 Mar '10 10:51
    Originally posted by Starrman
    I care that their songs meant something to me for an inexplicable period of joy.
    Yup, they were a social phenomenon. Undeniable.
  6. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    17 Mar '10 11:00
    The lyrics are nonsense? Who cares?

    Thread 119729
  7. 17 Mar '10 11:22
    Originally posted by Palynka
    The lyrics are nonsense? Who cares?

    Thread 119729
    It wasn't a general rule.
  8. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    17 Mar '10 11:24 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Starrman
    It wasn't a general rule.
    I'm say it is, so he shouldn't care about it.
  9. 17 Mar '10 11:44
    Originally posted by Palynka
    I'm say it is, so he shouldn't care about it.
    Right, sorry, temporary confusion.
  10. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    17 Mar '10 11:54
    Jim was simply pre-channeling Lenny Kravitz, who single-handedly brought a new standard for the use of the word 'yeah.'
    Kravitz's poetic structure is a bit complex and difficult for the neophyte to follow, so below, I've emboldened the devices he uses in one of his more popular songs in order to show how masterfully he spurs the flow and rhythm to keep the timing of the song while totally engaging the listener to keep with his imagery.

    I wish that I could fly
    Into the sky
    So very high
    Just like a dragonfly

    I'd fly above the trees
    Over the seas in all degrees
    To anywhere I please

    Oh I want to get away
    I want to fly away
    Yeah yeah yeah

    Oh I want to get away
    I want to fly away
    Yeah yeah yeah

    Let's go and see the stars
    The Milky Way or even Mars
    Where they could just be ours

    Let's fade into the sun
    Let your spirit fly
    For we are one
    Just for a little fun
    Oh, oh, oh yeah ! (repeat chorus five or so times)

    Like Lenny after him, Jim's genius was his ability to tap into his inner pimply-faced junior high school girl.
  11. 17 Mar '10 12:33
    My problem with The Doors is simply that Jim Morrison wasn't a very good singer. He sounded flat all the time.
  12. 17 Mar '10 12:41
    Morrison's lyrics are weak and superficial. Maybe that explains their success. The music, however, is distinctive, particularly Manzarek's keyboards.
  13. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    17 Mar '10 14:34
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Morrison's lyrics are weak and superficial. Maybe that explains their success. The music, however, is distinctive, particularly Manzarek's keyboards.
    They played superbowl halftime and they seemed like 80 years too old to be still playing the same schtick, and looked a bit arrogant to boot.
  14. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    17 Mar '10 17:17 / 1 edit
    People Are Strange - Angst never expressed better
    Hello I Love You - Appreciation of female beauty
  15. 18 Mar '10 01:24
    Originally posted by Seitse
    I must say that there are very specific moments in some of
    The Doors' songs in which I feel that the world will come down
    because I've witnessed pure beauty, e.g. the first change of
    syllable at the start of The End, to name one.

    However, the more I read Jim Morrison's lyrics, the more I... ok,
    let's be honest: unless you have a secret gay attraction ...[text shortened]... ic rings
    in my ear as no more than a novelty act, to be honest.

    What are your thoughts?
    I'd put them in between. Everyone's star burns brighter when they die at a relatively young age. JM benefited from that; as did Janis Joplin, Brian Jones, etc. This is not to be confused with the truly talented that died at an early age: Jimi Hendrix, Jim Croce, etc.