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  1. 21 Jan '10 05:25
    the pro-AGW climate scientists selflessly toil on in the face of grossly unfair criticism ...
  2. 21 Jan '10 05:25
    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=518486

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    It's one thing to fail to create real jobs. It is quite another to fund the jobs of people who would put millions of Americans out of work. This is what the administration has done by awarding $541,184 in economic stimulus funds to Penn State University to save, recovery.gov says, 1.62 jobs so that professor Michael Mann can continue his tree-ring circus fraudulently advancing the myth of man-made global warming.

    Mann and Penn State received the money shortly before the unearthing of e-mails from Britain's Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia revealed Mann as a participant in a massive campaign of manipulation, suppression and destruction of climate data to advance the bogus claims of the warm-mongers.

    "It's outrageous that economic stimulus money is being used to support research conducted by Michael Mann at the very same time he's under investigation by Penn State and is one of the key figures in the international Climate-gate scandal," says Tom Borelli, director of the Free Enterprise Project for the National Center for Public Policy Research, a conservative think tank. "Penn State should immediately return these funds to the U.S. Treasury."

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  3. 21 Jan '10 16:40
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=518486

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    It's one thing to fail to create real jobs. It is quite another to fund the jobs of people who would put millions of Americans out of work. This is what the administration has done by awarding $541,184 in economic stimulus funds to Penn State University to save, recovery.gov says, 1. ...[text shortened]... nk tank. "Penn State should immediately return these funds to the U.S. Treasury."

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    You have a quote here from a conservative think tank. So regardless of how accurate this think tank's statements might be, no one but the choir is going to listen to them. (The same logic applies to any quotes from liberal think tanks)

    Are there any neutral think tanks out there offering opinions on the global warming debate? Organizations that have no political axes to grind and are interested only in ensuring that the global warming issue is being subjected to "good scientific study"
  4. 21 Jan '10 16:58
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=518486

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    It's one thing to fail to create real jobs. It is quite another to fund the jobs of people who would put millions of Americans out of work. This is what the administration has done by awarding $541,184 in economic stimulus funds to Penn State University to save, recovery.gov says, 1. ...[text shortened]... nk tank. "Penn State should immediately return these funds to the U.S. Treasury."

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    I posted a link with all of the stimulus information listed state by state last week...it's really eye opening.
  5. 21 Jan '10 17:47
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    You have a quote here from a conservative think tank. So regardless of how accurate this think tank's statements might be, no one but the choir is going to listen to them. (The same logic applies to any quotes from liberal think tanks)

    Are there any neutral think tanks out there offering opinions on the global warming debate? Organizations that have no ...[text shortened]... only in ensuring that the global warming issue is being subjected to "good scientific study"
    so it's ok that a climate researcher is getting $500K of stimulus money?
  6. 21 Jan '10 18:05
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=518486

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    It's one thing to fail to create real jobs. It is quite another to fund the jobs of people who would put millions of Americans out of work. This is what the administration has done by awarding $541,184 in economic stimulus funds to Penn State University to save, recovery.gov says, 1. ...[text shortened]... nk tank. "Penn State should immediately return these funds to the U.S. Treasury."

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    Research into global warming is putting millions of Americans out of work. Solid analysis there.
  7. 21 Jan '10 18:07
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    so it's ok that a climate researcher is getting $500K of stimulus money?
    CERN and ITER, for example, have billion dollar budgets. Why are you making such a big deal out of $500k?
  8. 21 Jan '10 18:15 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    CERN and ITER, for example, have billion dollar budgets. Why are you making such a big deal out of $500k?

    think about your post for a couple of minutes and you'll figure out the discrepancy.
  9. 21 Jan '10 18:24 / 1 edit
    The stimulus money should have been focused on getting money flowing into the economy as quickly as possible - so as to stimulate the increase in Demand that is necessary if jobs are to be saved or created.

    Spending money on scientific research is very important. But it doesn't seem like a particularly effective method for rapidly stimulating Demand amidst an economic crisis.

    This being said -- does it really matter what type of research the stimulus money was being spent on?