Listen to any republican these days, and you'll hear all about those lazy, welfare sucking, anti american, liberals that sit around and let the fine, hard working christian republicans carry the load. To listen to speeches by those fine, pure christian conservative lawmakers and you'll hear all about self reliance, hard work, a fair days work for their pay, taking handouts from the government is an abomination, a blight on our way of life. etc. etc. etc. Lost in all these soapbox speeches is the fact that it is republican controlled states that depend most on handouts from the federal government. These states can afford to lower state taxes because the federal government frequently makes up for the lost revenue. So next time you hear a conservative give one of his Rush Limbaugh speeches to those lazy liberals, take a long look at who's really feeding at the government trough.😲:
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/personal-finance/10-states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government.html/?a=viewall
06 Apr 14
Originally posted by bill718Indeed. The richest of the rich live in uber liberal states. The liberals rule the roost. They must laugh as their conservative slaves stampede over each other trying to obtain their bowl of entitlement porridge.
Listen to any republican these days, and you'll hear all about those lazy, welfare sucking, anti american, liberals that sit around and let the fine, hard working christian republicans carry the load. To listen to speeches by those fine, pure christian conservative lawmakers and you'll hear all about self reliance, hard work, a fair days work for their pay, ...[text shortened]... eatsheet.com/personal-finance/10-states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government.html/?a=viewall
06 Apr 14
Originally posted by whodeyNo better way to enslave the poor than to offer them gold at the end of the rainbow.
Indeed. The richest of the rich live in uber liberal states. The liberals rule the roost. They must laugh as their conservative slaves stampede over each other trying to obtain their bowl of entitlement porridge.
06 Apr 14
Originally posted by bill718Most of the top ten States in your list are at best for your argument purple States, some outright blue.
Listen to any republican these days, and you'll hear all about those lazy, welfare sucking, anti american, liberals that sit around and let the fine, hard working christian republicans carry the load. To listen to speeches by those fine, pure christian conservative lawmakers and you'll hear all about self reliance, hard work, a fair days work for their pay, ...[text shortened]... eatsheet.com/personal-finance/10-states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government.html/?a=viewall
I really don't know how anyone can calculate Return on Taxpayer investment. The middle stat appears fairly easy to collect but not really relevant to anything. And the number of Federal employees only indicates where military bases and other federal sites are located.
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Originally posted by bill718I don't think its a coincidence that none of those states, save for Arizona (#10), have a major city in them (New Orleans is not a major city as far as economics and commerce is concerned). The major centers of commerce have the wealthiest people and the wealthiest people pay the most income tax. I don't think this list says much about politics.
Listen to any republican these days, and you'll hear all about those lazy, welfare sucking, anti american, liberals that sit around and let the fine, hard working christian republicans carry the load. To listen to speeches by those fine, pure christian conservative lawmakers and you'll hear all about self reliance, hard work, a fair days work for their pay, ...[text shortened]... eatsheet.com/personal-finance/10-states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government.html/?a=viewall
06 Apr 14
Originally posted by sh76Major cities tend almost always to be blue. Even NO which you say isn't a major city is heavily blue, and famous for its dependency. New York is blue around NYC, but red out state.
I don't think its a coincidence that none of those states, save for Arizona (#10), have a major city in them (New Orleans is not a major city as far as economics and commerce is concerned). The major centers of commerce have the wealthiest people and the wealthiest people pay the most income tax. I don't think this list says much about politics.
Originally posted by JS357I suspect that no State gets more than it gives in Federal taxes. I've only looked at gasoline taxes, and a State is doing well if it gets 70% back. The bureaucracy eats up too much of the collected revenue.
Another way to look at this is whether a state is a net donor or net donee of federal funding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state
The article explors potential reasons for specific cases. Looking at the data is just a start.
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Originally posted by normbenignMost of the costs of federal administration of monies going to a state (bureaucracy) count as federal payroll paid to its employees in that state (or DC), at least in the link I cited. However, administration of monies once allocated from the federal gov't is often by state employees. This does not detract from the notion that administrative (bureaucratic) costs are a measure of inefficiency. They might also be considered a part of the welfare system by giving out jobs.
I suspect that no State gets more than it gives in Federal taxes. I've only looked at gasoline taxes, and a State is doing well if it gets 70% back. The bureaucracy eats up too much of the collected revenue.
07 Apr 14
Originally posted by JS357Nice of you to make the connection between government jobs and welfare. Now if you can convince your leftist brethren that a government job is nothing more than welfare we might be able to make real change.
Most of the costs of federal administration of monies going to a state (bureaucracy) count as federal payroll paid to its employees in that state (or DC), at least in the link I cited. However, administration of monies once allocated from the federal gov't is often by state employees. This does not detract from the notion that administrative (bureaucratic) cos ...[text shortened]... of inefficiency. They might also be considered a part of the welfare system by giving out jobs.
07 Apr 14
Originally posted by EladarI spent five years working for the single most businesslike command in the Navy (the command won many awards for efficiency, forward thinking, and prudent stewardship of funds). My code employed about fourteen people, with enough work for three, maybe four if we were swamped. One guy in the code took a nap every day from 1:30 - 2:30, after his lunch from 11:30 - 1:30. He'd head home at 3. My supervisor had to be woken up by our boss to be told he was being promoted to GS-13. The kids in the code never showed up later than 10 AM, and they stayed until at least 2 PM, some days even 2:30.
Nice of you to make the connection between government jobs and welfare. Now if you can convince your leftist brethren that a government job is nothing more than welfare we might be able to make real change.
08 Apr 14
Originally posted by sasquatch672A global force for good 4 hours a day if not taking a nap.
I spent five years working for the single most businesslike command in the Navy (the command won many awards for efficiency, forward thinking, and prudent stewardship of funds). My code employed about fourteen people, with enough work for three, maybe four if we were swamped. One guy in the code took a nap every day from 1:30 - 2:30, after his lunch f ...[text shortened]... code never showed up later than 10 AM, and they stayed until at least 2 PM, some days even 2:30.
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Originally posted by sasquatch672I could tell you of similar instances in the private sector, including naps, other forms of time spend not working, supervisor complicity, etc.
I spent five years working for the single most businesslike command in the Navy (the command won many awards for efficiency, forward thinking, and prudent stewardship of funds). My code employed about fourteen people, with enough work for three, maybe four if we were swamped. One guy in the code took a nap every day from 1:30 - 2:30, after his lunch f ...[text shortened]... code never showed up later than 10 AM, and they stayed until at least 2 PM, some days even 2:30.
10 Apr 14
Originally posted by JS357The bigger the organization public or private the more likely that sort of thing is. That is the advantage that small, focused companies have over the behemoths. Eventually, the big ones come down, minus bailouts.
I could tell you of similar instances in the private sector, including naps, other forms of time spend not working, supervisor complicity, etc.