1. Standard memberspruce112358
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    Everything idiotic Trump has done is well known and we are all completely tired of it. But @averagejoe1, you shouldn't post things by Victor Hanson - the guy is a tool.

    Look how easy it is to take his 11 points and turn them around into EVEN MORE compelling points against Trump. Why ask us to listen to a guy who writes hit pieces for the Epoch Times, which is a far-right international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement! My mom, I have to forgive. She's 93 and doesn't know any better - plus she's my mom. But you?

    Don't do this again. Please.

    1. Wipe out a 2,000-mile border. 
    Trump torpedoed the legislation that would fix immigration…

    2. Run up $35 trillion in national debt. 
    Trump tax cuts added much more debt than Biden has…

    3. Appease or subsidize enemies like Russia and North Korea. 
    Shaking hands with dictators emboldens them and puts our allies at risk…

    4. In a multiracial democracy, redefine identity only as one’s tribal affiliation. 
    By banning Muslims, making fun of the disabled, mocking and demeaning women, and pandering to evangelicals…

    5. Recalibrate crime as understandable, cry-of-the-heart expressions of social justice. 
    “Good people on both sides…” “Jan 6th patriots…” Pardons all around.

    6. Emasculate the military by using blackmail to block promotion and commendation.
    Support Sen Numbnuts from Alabama who blocked ALL military promotions…

    7. Reinvent foreign aid to smear political opponents. 
    Using a “perfect phone call” to Ukraine, for example…

    8. Encourage the fusion of the bureaucratic state with political parties by hiring incompetent political flunkies to form a powerful force for political audit, surveillance, censorship and coercion. 
    Michael Flynn, Betsy DeVos, Tom Price, Mnuchin, Zincke, Carson, etc.

    9. Make war on clean air and water
    By torpedoing as much of the Clean Air and Water Acts as possible…

    10. Marry over and over, and cheat with porn stars. 
    And be the role-model of the “whinny spoiled child” even at age 77, constantly airing grievances IN ALL CAPS

    11. Turn news outlets into propaganda centers. 
    .Fox and Friends, anyone?
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    @spruce112358 said
    Everything idiotic Trump has done is well known and we are all completely tired of it. But @averagejoe1, you shouldn't post things by Victor Hanson - the guy is a tool.

    Look how easy it is to take his 11 points and turn them around into EVEN MORE compelling points against Trump. Why ask us to listen to a guy who writes hit pieces for the Epoch Times, which is a far-ri ...[text shortened]... grievances IN ALL CAPS

    11. Turn news outlets into propaganda centers. 
    .Fox and Friends, anyone?
    what do you get out of lying?
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    @spruce112358 said
    Everything idiotic Trump has done is well known and we are all completely tired of it. But @averagejoe1, you shouldn't post things by Victor Hanson - the guy is a tool.

    Look how easy it is to take his 11 points and turn them around into EVEN MORE compelling points against Trump. Why ask us to listen to a guy who writes hit pieces for the Epoch Times, which is a far-ri ...[text shortened]... grievances IN ALL CAPS

    11. Turn news outlets into propaganda centers. 
    .Fox and Friends, anyone?
    So, looks like you find Trump worse as president than you do Biden, so you will therefore vote for Biden to be president for the next four years?
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    My point is it's silly for us to be debating hit pieces. We could treat any of these 11 points one-by-one, but each needs its own thread.

    Otherwise it's just "Oh yeah?! Well your guy is WORSE!"

    "OH YEAH?!? WELL YOUR GUY-" etc.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    So, looks like you find Trump worse as president than you do Biden, so you will therefore vote for Biden to be president for the next four years?
    I'll never vote for a Republican again in my life. That party has abandoned reason, America, the Constitution, and everything it ever stood for. It needs to die and be replaced by a different political party with a different message and focus.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    you find Trump worse as president than you do Biden
    Absolutely, yes.

    History will judge Trump extremely harshly.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    you will therefore vote for Biden to be president for the next four years?
    This is an oddly direct question to ask in this setting, don't you think?
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    @spruce112358 said
    I'll never vote for a Republican again in my life. That party has abandoned reason, America, the Constitution, and everything it ever stood for. It needs to die and be replaced by a different political party with a different message and focus.
    This very day Biden is telling us to pay student tuitions. Giving SCOTUS the finger. Ha, I hope they take it personal in upcoming decision making. He is definitely bringing democracy down. Govt agents just took a gas stove out of my house, and some light bulbs.
    Your man is undemocratic. The diff is, he IS undemocratic, you boys only SAY Trump is. I’m sure Trumphouse will agree with me.
    Oh for the record I will never vote for the democrat party in my life. They are dependents by nature. We love independence, sel reliance, liberty and freedom. If any of you suckling faeries have ever written any of those 4 words, I have never seen it. Frankly, I think those words make liberals feel somewhat naked and cold.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    This very day Biden is telling us to pay student tuitions. Giving SCOTUS the finger. Ha, I hope they take it personal in upcoming decision making. He is definitely bringing democracy down. Govt agents just took a gas stove out of my house, and some light bulbs.
    Your man is undemocratic. The diff is, he IS undemocratic, you boys only SAY Trump is. I’m sure Trumphouse ...[text shortened]... ds, I have never seen it. Frankly, I think those words make liberals feel somewhat naked and cold.
    All of these Acts were passed DEMOCRATICALLY with provisions for student loan forgiveness. If you object, why don't you DEMOCRATICALLY vote for Congress-critters who pass laws that *don't* contain provisions for forgiveness if you are agin' it?! Vote 'em out.

    SCOTUS can only rule on whether he is following the law and Constitution as written. If he is, then there is nothing more to be said.

    As for pollution - yes, government could regulate that. Nixon (R) lead the way with the Clean Air and Water Acts. Love Canal, anyone? Burning River?

    If we DEMOCRATICALLY decide that is something we want to do, then fine. There is no 'right to pollute'.

    You seem to be against Democracy. What are you, a monarchist? A Tory? I thought you all went to Canada after the war.
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    @Mott-The-Hoople
    Oh, it was lying that repub assshole stopped ALL military promotions because he didn't like some abortion rule in the military?
    Try to defend THAT fukking assswipe Tuberville. Sounds like a cancer circus TUBER. Fits him well.

    It was lying Trump got those asssholes in his cabinet, a bunch of that crowd in legal trouble as well as T himself? DeVoss who HATES public education wanting to force the government to tout private schools and the fact they are too expensive for most folks matters not at all. Those are lies? PROVE IT FUKKFACE.
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    @AverageJoe1
    More word salad refusing to actually debate issues instead WHATABOUTISM is your main anti debate tactic.

    If it was Trump doing what Biden has bill wise you would be jumping up and down pronouncing him the best POTUS since Washington just like Trump says but since it is Biden it matters ZERO what he does, ANYTHING Biden accomplishes is bad ANYTHING Trump 'accomplishes' GREAT, better than ANYONE.
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    @spruce112358
    Historians are ALREADY putting Trump at the bottom of the list and there have been some dozies already, Harding comes to mind but at least he didn't try to overthrow the idea of peaceful transfer of power, among the rest of Trumps so called 'accomplishments'
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    @sonhouse said
    @spruce112358
    Historians are ALREADY putting Trump at the bottom of the list and there have been some dozies already, Harding comes to mind but at least he didn't try to overthrow the idea of peaceful transfer of power, among the rest of Trumps so called 'accomplishments'
    He'll be remembered all right .... future historians will refer to him as "America's Caligula."
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    Good one🙂
    But historians have already put X45 on the bottom of the POTUS list. Worse than Harding and that is saying something. At least Harding didn't try a coup to keep his sorry ass in power.
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