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@Rajk999 saidSo? The Virginia Company claimed Virginia with the full support of King James which ignored Native American tribes. Eventually, they attacked to drive the invaders out (Powhatan War).
- The British partitioned the land with the full support of the UN
The UN had no authority to 'partition' Palestine because the UN is not a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED BODY. The Palestinians did not elect a UN representative - nor did anyone else. Legitimate governmental authority comes from the consent of the governed. That did not happen.
The rest of that narrative collapses immediately.
@spruce112358 saidThe land did not belong to the Arabs. Arabs owned some, so did Jews, so did the Chinese and Spanish etc. But control of the state and governance was the right of the British. Prior to 1915, there was the Ottoman Empire, and after that came the British Empire. Land was owned and controlled by war and conquest. The League of Nations and subsequently the United Nations gradually sought to bring all that under control so that there would be no need for war. In 1948 the UN, and the British had the authority to partition the land.
So? The Virginia Company claimed Virginia with the full support of King James which ignored Native American tribes. Eventually, they attacked to drive the invaders out (Powhatan War).
The UN had no authority to 'partition' Palestine because the UN is not a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED BODY. The Palestinians did not elect a UN representative - nor did anyone else. Legitimate ...[text shortened]... e consent of the governed. That did not happen.
The rest of that narrative collapses immediately.
@Rajk999 saidNot according to America:
But control of the state and governance was the right of the British. Land was owned and controlled by war and conquest. In 1948 the UN, and the British had the authority to partition the land.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
And not according to the UN. The UN grossly violated their own charter when they imposed partition in the way that they did. The UN tried to correct this error for decades, with the US steadfastly vetoing every single attempt.
Article 1(2): "To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
The creation of the state of Israel was illegitimate and a horrible screw-up by Britain, the UN, and the United States which has lead to over 70 years of war and hundreds of thousands dead.
At some point we should say, "enough."
@spruce112358 saidRight, therefore the Arabs in 1948 should have accepted their potion and live in peace. They chose war. The Jews accepted and chose peace. The Arabs do not own that piece of land.
Not according to America:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from [b]the consent of the governed... ...[text shortened]... ad to over 70 years of war and hundreds of thousands dead.
At some point we should say, "enough."
So war it is. Let them battle it out.
@spruce112358 saidDamn… when I was 5 years old.
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Well, that’s my side of the tale, and I’m stickin’ tae it!
@TheListener saidNo such advisors from AOL in my ear to say "You are calling your new chess site what???"
A little factoid, when Zuckerberg saw it taking off, he named it The Facebook. The guy that started AOL was friends with him, and said to him drop ‘ The’ and call it Facebook.
@Rajk999 saidIsrael gave back nearly all the land they gained in the 1967 war.
The land did not belong to the Arabs. Arabs owned some, so did Jews, so did the Chinese and Spanish etc. But control of the state and governance was the right of the British. Prior to 1915, there was the Ottoman Empire, and after that came the British Empire. Land was owned and controlled by war and conquest. The League of Nations and subsequently the United Nations gradual ...[text shortened]... e would be no need for war. In 1948 the UN, and the British had the authority to partition the land.
Not sure how that folds into this, but it must be considered.
@spruce112358 saidAnd your name then was...?
Twenty years ago today, on Oct 23, 2004, I joined RHP.
Also in 2004:
Mark Zuckerberg’s ‘Facebook’ was launched on Feb. 4, 2004
Second Iraq War ongoing (2003-2011)
President George W. Bush won reelection (Bush left office voluntarily in 2009)
President Karzai elected head of Afghanistan (left office 2014)
President Putin won 2nd term as President (Putin is still ...[text shortened]... million)
Illegal migrants present in US: about 10 million (today: about 11 million)
Debate! LOL.
@Russ saidWhat were some of the other options? For the name.
No such advisors from AOL in my ear to say "You are calling your new chess site what???"
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Something from the archives : Blog Post 1
edit : I actually believe DailyChess.com is a more suitable name, which is why it is an alternative way of accessing the site now.
@Suzianne saidIn 1967, Israel's surprise attack resulted in seizing the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza Strip, as well as the Syrian Golan Heights and the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula.
Israel gave back nearly all the land they gained in the 1967 war.
Not sure how that folds into this, but it must be considered.
The only part Israel has given back was Sinai, in exchange for peace with Egypt. The rest remains under Israeli control.
Israel is currently trying to ethnically cleanse the other parts of Arabs so that Jewish settlements can be expanded in those territories, which will one day be annexed to Israel itself, as long as the demographic balance favors the survival of a "Hebrew" state.
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@spruce112358 saidI thought the West Bank was given back to Jordan, or why else would Israeli settlements there be such a big deal, East Jerusalem is where the Dome of the Rock is, and someone has it, or the Israelis never would have given permission for a mosque to be built on the actual site of the Temple on the Temple Mount. I also thought the Syrians got the Golan Heights back as well.
In 1967, Israel's surprise attack resulted in seizing the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza Strip, as well as the Syrian Golan Heights and the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula.
The only part Israel has given back was Sinai, in exchange for peace with Egypt. The rest remains under Israeli control.
Israel is currently trying to ethnically cleanse the other parts of Arabs so th ...[text shortened]... nnexed to Israel itself, as long as the demographic balance favors the survival of a "Hebrew" state.
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@Russ saidBut I like 'Red Hot Pawn', and the name was what brought me here to begin with. I sensed that there was something more here than just another vanilla website, which is the image 'Daily Chess' brings to me.
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Something from the archives : Blog Post 1
edit : I actually believe DailyChess.com is a more suitable name, which is why it is an alternative way of accessing the site now.
The name RHP has much history, and you may be stuck with at least grandfathering those graphics as an option for the foreseeable future. 🙂
Edit: I remember all of those graphics except the first one.
@Russ saidNice!
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Something from the archives : Blog Post 1
edit : I actually believe DailyChess.com is a more suitable name, which is why it is an alternative way of accessing the site now.