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  1. 07 Jan '14 13:03
    Count your blessings you could live in one of these places:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-25-most-failed-states-on-earth-2013-6
  2. 07 Jan '14 13:54
    I'd visit most of those places...
  3. 07 Jan '14 14:03
    What on earth for?

    http://www.kesq.com/Peace-Corps-Murder-Raises-Questions-On-Safety-Of-Volunteers/-/233230/493290/-/item/1/-/jevn1az/-/index.html
  4. Subscriber Ponderable
    chemist
    07 Jan '14 14:05
    Originally posted by Trev33
    I'd visit most of those places...
    on what condition?
  5. Standard member smw6869
    Granny
    07 Jan '14 20:26
    Originally posted by Trev33
    I'd visit most of those places...
    Too-Da-Loo


    GRANNY.
  6. 07 Jan '14 20:40
    Originally posted by KilgoreTrout15
    Count your blessings you could live in one of these places:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-25-most-failed-states-on-earth-2013-6
    Yet shouldn't some 'libertarian' right-wing Americans be pleased about the
    absence of a powerful central government in Somalia and be particularly
    happy about the absence of regulation of guns? In Somalia laissez-faire
    market forces apparently rule! Anyone with enough money can buy a gun.
    And there's no meddlesome government bureaucrat to interfere when
    children die of diseases that could be treated with even modest health care.
    What a 'libertarian' laissez-faire utopia!
  7. 07 Jan '14 22:55
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Yet shouldn't some 'libertarian' right-wing Americans be pleased about the
    absence of a powerful central government in Somalia and be particularly
    happy about the absence of regulation of guns? In Somalia laissez-faire
    market forces apparently rule! Anyone with enough money can buy a gun.
    And there's no meddlesome government bureaucrat to interfere w ...[text shortened]... that could be treated with even modest health care.
    What a 'libertarian' laissez-faire utopia!
    "Libertarian right wing"

    I thought liberals were left wing, all for freedom and such?

    I have a hard time following your chain of thought.

    You seem to be retarded.
  8. 07 Jan '14 23:02
    Originally posted by KilgoreTrout15
    "Libertarian right wing"

    I thought liberals were left wing, all for freedom and such?

    I have a hard time following your chain of thought.

    You seem to be retarded.
    KilgoreTrout15 seems unable to comprehend a distinction between
    'libertarian' and 'liberal'. Some writers in this forum seem to regard
    themselves as 'libertarian' but *not* 'liberal'.
  9. 07 Jan '14 23:03
    Originally posted by KilgoreTrout15
    What on earth for?

    http://www.kesq.com/Peace-Corps-Murder-Raises-Questions-On-Safety-Of-Volunteers/-/233230/493290/-/item/1/-/jevn1az/-/index.html
    Just to see a different culture etc.

    Only few I wouldn't visit are Somalia, South Sudan, Chad and at the moment Congo although there's a volcano in Congo that I really want to see. Have no desire to go to a few others but not because of safety reasons.

    I've read quite a bit about Sudan, there's certain regions that are unsafe, mostly around the South Sudan border but other than that it seems fine. Nothing there to see or do really but if I ever do the Africa trip that I want I'll have to pass through it.
  10. 07 Jan '14 23:38
    Originally posted by Trev33 to KilgoreTrout15
    Just to see a different culture etc.

    Only few I wouldn't visit are Somalia, South Sudan, Chad and at the moment Congo although there's a volcano in Congo that I really want to see. Have no desire to go to a few others but not because of safety reasons.

    I've read quite a bit about Sudan, there's certain regions that are unsafe, mostly ...[text shortened]... e to see or do really but if I ever do the Africa trip that I want I'll have to pass through it.
    It seems questionable to label a society as a permanently 'failed state'
    (like several in the list) simply because it's going through a civil war.
    I suppose that if this list had been made at the beginning of 1865, the
    Confederate States of America should have been a 'failed state' too.
    And, indeed, the CSA did not last much longer.

    Amanda Lindhout, a Canadian woman, was curious about different cultures.
    In 2008, as a self-styled freelance journalist (with no formal training), she
    visited Somalia, and, with her boyfriend, was quickly abducted and held
    hostage. During her fifteen months in captivity, she was repeatedly raped.
    After the ordeal, she and her boyfriend separated and reportedly no longer
    speak to each other.
  11. 08 Jan '14 00:06
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    It seems questionable to label a society as a permanently 'failed state'
    (like several in the list) simply because it's going through a civil war.
    I suppose that if this list had been made at the beginning of 1865, the
    Confederate States of America should have been a 'failed state' too.
    And, indeed, the CSA did not last much longer.

    Amanda Lindhout ...[text shortened]... After the ordeal, she and her boyfriend separated and reportedly no longer
    speak to each other.
    I think it's unfair to have South Sudan on the list, it's just became a country. Of course it's going to take some time. Also Iraq is only struggling because of America, Afghanistan as well. Plus where the hell is Israel on that list? Surely a country just by it's creation that has caused countless wars should be considered a 'failed state'.

    I read on another site that Nigeria were seen as an up and coming power.... not bad for a failed state.

    The list is subject to change no doubt, possible 'failing state' would be fairer than 'failed state'.