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11 May 05
11 May 05
So Europe are looking to close the loop hole that allows UK employees to work more than 48 hours per week.
Will this help family life, reduce the problems of family breakdown and improve the work like balance?
or Does is smack of nanny state? Who has the right to tell me how many hours I can work?
12 May 05
Originally posted by invigorateI don't no anything about employment contracts in the UK, but in NZ, it would be hard to find an employee who had a contract that allowed them to work as many hours as they like. Most people have to beg for overtime.
My chefs work 48 hours per week (4days @ 12hours) some work on their days off, I cannot legally stop them. Yet if they are too tired they do not perform to the same level they would had they rested on their lesuire rime.
12 May 05
Originally posted by invigorateSorry - you can't legally stop them?
My chefs work 48 hours per week (4days @ 12hours) some work on their days off, I cannot legally stop them. Yet if they are too tired they do not perform to the same level they would had they rested on their lesuire rime.
Why can't you stop them?
12 May 05
Originally posted by rwingettThat smacks of a nanny state. Guaranteed work?? I guarantee that unemployment is never a permanent situation for the able bodies in the US.
Only in anti-social system would greater productivity equal greater unemployment and longer hours for the employed. A sane system would guarantee work for everyone but require fewer hours from each employee. Full employment with a 32 hour week, for example.
What doesn't make sense is paying overtime after 32 or even 40 hours a week. That's more nanny state-ism.
12 May 05
Originally posted by ColettiNanny statism? What are you jabbering on about? Or are you just being a professional contrarian here?
That smacks of a nanny state. Guaranteed work?? I guarantee that unemployment is never a permanent situation for the able bodies in the US.
What doesn't make sense is paying overtime after 32 or even 40 hours a week. That's more nanny state-ism.
12 May 05
Originally posted by ColettiWhat are able bodies in the US? Those who have emplyoment perhaps?
That smacks of a nanny state. Guaranteed work?? I guarantee that unemployment is never a permanent situation for the able bodies in the US.
What doesn't make sense is paying overtime after 32 or even 40 hours a week. That's more nanny state-ism.
12 May 05
i think the legislation will be useful in the sorts of jobs where employees don't really have the OPTION of working fewer than 60+hours. eg lots of city-type jobs. at the moment employees get 'asked' whether they'd like to sign the EU Directive opt-out, but this is a total joke as EVERYONE concerned knows that if anyone actually did opt out their employer would find a(nother) reason to get rid of them. no-one signs it.
13 May 05
Originally posted by rwingettThere is a linear graph that shows wealth is correlated to production.
Only in anti-social system would greater productivity equal greater unemployment and longer hours for the employed. A sane system would guarantee work for everyone but require fewer hours from each employee. Full employment with a 32 hour week, for example.
If we as a civilization are truly TIRED of progressing, then let's all just stop producing. That will kill the comsumption real quick. Or let's think of a way to make people not consume anything out of the norm in those extra 8 hours they set about doing nothing each week. What? What was that you say? Oh? They are not going to just set about? They are about doing stuff? Consuming? Consuming what?