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  1. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    22 May '13 16:42
    Maybe this can give the lie to the idea put forth by partisan hacks that grumpy old white men who just hate Obama are looking for a reason to get him. I know, I know..."Jennifer Rubin is a..." Stuff it in your hat. Somebody's got to counteract the liberal poison that MSNBC, the New York Times, CNN, and a dozen other "news" organizations trot out.

    Benghazi turns out to be a big deal, and not for just Republicans

    By Jennifer Rubin, Updated: May 22, 2013


    President Obama speaks during a press conference. (Michael Reynolds/European Pressphoto Agency)


    The spin that the American people aren’t interested in Benghazi or that it’s only Republicans who think something is fishy isn’t faring too well in a plethora of other polls.

    The GOP figures on all these are off the charts (vs. the administration). But independents are much more like GOP voters than Dems. In some cases, they view the president more harshly.

    The newest Post/ABC poll finds: “Last year’s deadly attack on a diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya, is shaping up as a real political problem for President Obama, with concern extending well beyond the conservative base. More than half of Americans say his administration is trying to cover up the facts of the attack.” Asked if the White House is engaged in a cover-up, 56 percent of Republicans and 60 percent of independents say yes.

    From the latest Fox News poll (figures for independents are in parenthesis): 75 percent (77 percent of independents) are following closely or somewhat closely the scandal; voters’ approval of President Obama’s handling trails disapproval 32 to 53 percent (29 to 54 percent for independents); 60 percent (same for independents) think there was a cover-up; 62 percent (60 percent of independents) think the president could have done more to help Americans; and by a 50-to-37 percent margin (54-to-28 percent for independents), they think the misstatements were political, not to protect national security.

    Earlier this month, Huffington Post reported that its poll showed “that 42 percent of Americans said they disapprove of the way it has been handled, while 27 percent said they approve.” Independents disapproved by a 47-to-19 percent margin.

    CNN shows voters disapprove of Obama’s handling of the Benghazi scandal by a 53-to-42 percent margin. Among independents, 58 percent disapprove. CNN is an outlier, however, on whether the administration misled the public intentionally, finding only 44 percent (and 44 percent of independents) think it did. But there, too, 84 percent of all voters and 80 percent of independents think it is important or very important to get to the bottom of it. Fifty-nine percent of all voters and 58 percent of independents think the attack could have been prevented. Only 37 percent of all voters and 37 percent of independents think the GOP is overplaying its hand.

    More troublesome for the left in all these polls is the growing distrust of government, no doubt a result of the cumulative impact of Benghazi, the Internal Revenue Service and the media-spying scandals. If you are a Democrat on the ballot in 2014, you might think hard about running interference for the White House. The public is fed up, and they’ll have only Ds to take it out on in the midterms.

    Give the public some credit. With most of the media ignoring Benghazi until recently and non-stop spin from the administration and its liberal enablers disparaging those seeking answers, the voters have figured out that it really does matter what happened and if our leaders lied to them.
  2. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    22 May '13 18:00 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Maybe this can give the lie to the idea put forth by partisan hacks that grumpy old white men who just hate Obama are looking for a reason to get him. I know, I know..."Jennifer Rubin is a..." Stuff it in your hat. Somebody's got to counteract the liberal poison that MSNBC, the New York Times, CNN, and a dozen other "news" organizations trot out.

    ...[text shortened]... have figured out that it really does matter what happened and if our leaders lied to them.


    It's not doing the work you right wingers want, however:

    Sixty-two percent of all Americans say they approved of the way Clinton handled her job at the state department; just 28 percent disapprove.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/05/21/hillary-clinton-remains-teflon-despite-benghazi/

    And: Overall, 57 percent of all Americans say they would back a Clinton candidacy, with support peaking among younger women.

    That includes 59% of independents and 23%(!) of Republicans. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/12/05/run-hillary-run-majority-want-a-clinton-2016-candidacy/
  3. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    22 May '13 18:15
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Maybe this can give the lie to the idea put forth by partisan hacks that grumpy old white men who just hate Obama are looking for a reason to get him. I know, I know..."Jennifer Rubin is a..." Stuff it in your hat. Somebody's got to counteract the liberal poison that MSNBC, the New York Times, CNN, and a dozen other "news" organizations trot out.

    ...[text shortened]... have figured out that it really does matter what happened and if our leaders lied to them.
    Same poll:

    Obama has a larger advantage in a more general question: Fifty-one percent of Americans say he
    is “mainly concentrating on things that are important to you personally.” That’s 8 points more
    than say the same about the Democrats in Congress – and 18 points more than say so about the
    Republicans.


    http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1149a1PoliticsToday.pdf


    It sucks to be you.
  4. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    22 May '13 18:18
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Same poll:

    Obama has a larger advantage in a more general question: Fifty-one percent of Americans say he
    is “mainly concentrating on things that are important to you personally.” That’s 8 points more
    than say the same about the Democrats in Congress – [b]and 18 points more than say so about the
    Republicans.


    http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1149a1PoliticsToday.pdf


    It sucks to be you.[/b]
    Are you kidding me? It's great to be me. I love being me. I'm so happy being me that I'm considering cloning myself multiple times. My future's so bright I gotta wear shades and 1,000,000 sunblock.

    Of course, the government is going to sling a couple of slackers around my neck for me to carry around, welfare collectors that aren't paying their fair share. But I'll get through it...
  5. 22 May '13 18:37
    They want answers, but do they know what the questions are?
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    22 May '13 18:48
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Are you kidding me? It's great to be me. I love being me. I'm so happy being me that I'm considering cloning myself multiple times. My future's so bright I gotta wear shades and 1,000,000 sunblock.

    Of course, the government is going to sling a couple of slackers around my neck for me to carry around, welfare collectors that aren't paying their fair share. But I'll get through it...
    He still smokes his cigar
    drives a brand new car...

    ...He'll never lose...

    Christy Moore - Ordinary Man
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E_GZjDaqXQ
  7. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    22 May '13 19:08
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Are you kidding me? It's great to be me. I love being me. I'm so happy being me that I'm considering cloning myself multiple times. My future's so bright I gotta wear shades and 1,000,000 sunblock.

    Of course, the government is going to sling a couple of slackers around my neck for me to carry around, welfare collectors that aren't paying their fair share. But I'll get through it...
    Apparently your ex-wife thought differently ...............................
  8. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    22 May '13 19:29
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Apparently your ex-wife thought differently ...............................
    Now was that nice? Why I oughta...go wash your mouth out with soap.
  9. 23 May '13 01:40
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Now was that nice? Why I oughta...go wash your mouth out with soap.
    You make it too easy for them to sidetrack a good thread. Keep hammering Benghazi, Fast and Furious, IRS, and AP.
  10. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    23 May '13 23:36
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Maybe this can give the lie to the idea put forth by partisan hacks that grumpy old white men who just hate Obama are looking for a reason to get him. I know, I know..."Jennifer Rubin is a..." Stuff it in your hat. Somebody's got to counteract the liberal poison that MSNBC, the New York Times, CNN, and a dozen other "news" organizations trot out.

    ...[text shortened]... have figured out that it really does matter what happened and if our leaders lied to them.
    Perhaps you misunderstand. I think most people want an honest account of events of the Benghazi tragedy, regardless of partisan affiliation. There is a big difference however, between finding out all the facts, both good and bad...as opposed to presenting only those facts that present the most possible political damage to the President, which sadly, seems to be the sole driving force behind the GOP's calls for endless investigations. I'm confident mistakes were made, and would like to know more about this myself, however cherry picking facts to present to one's partisan group is not an honest accounting.
  11. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    23 May '13 23:52
    Originally posted by bill718
    Perhaps you misunderstand. I think most people want an honest account of events of the Benghazi tragedy, regardless of partisan affiliation. There is a big difference however, between finding out all the facts, both good and bad...as opposed to presenting only those facts that present the most possible political damage to the President, which sadly, seems to ...[text shortened]... however cherry picking facts to present to one's partisan group is not an honest accounting.
    Well, I agree with you...but the Obama Administration was the group that - hell they didn't cherry pick facts...they just out-and-out made them up, no1's reliance on a New York Times article as proof that the attack was over a video notwithstanding.

    Why haven't the 30 to 40 people who were rescued from Benghazi been allowed to testify? Why haven't they been made available to the House Committee? They all had or have Top Secret clearances...I know for a fact that none of those people have been made available to Congress for even a classified briefing. Why? Isn't it time to hear from them?

    The talking points matter from a political standpoint because their revision (and the heroic efforts of the administration) to cast the attack in a light which supported the adminstration's narrative that the war on terror had been won, during an election season, is a significant attempt to mislead the American people. If yellowcake uranium was an outrage, so too is this.

    The administrations actions and inactions in the months, days, and hours leading up to the attack, along with the first few hours after the attack began, are significant because the American people have a right to know whether Obama abandons his diplomats overseas when they are endangered.

    I don't see how either one of these can be brushed aside. And the talk of Republicans making political hay out of the deaths of four Americans, when it was the Obama administration who a) abandoned them in the first place and b) still act as if their deaths are no big deal is, quite frankly, beneath the level of conversation worthy of civilized discourse. Liberals who would gloss over this issue insult the dead twice: first, they failed to protect their lives, then when people demand an accounting, they demonize those people.