Originally posted by AThousandYoungI'd say no chance. Both the Pacific and European theatres seem certain to end in axis victory without American involvement, even allowing for the craziness of Operation Barbarossa.
The Americas don't exist. Columbus really did find India.
Can the Allies win?
Originally posted by avalanchethecatYou're forgetting about Mexico. Surely they would have stepped up to the plate and defeated the Axis Powers.
I'd say no chance. Both the Pacific and European theatres seem certain to end in axis victory without American involvement, even allowing for the craziness of Operation Barbarossa.
The tricky part would be sailing all their burro's overseas.
Originally posted by rwingettNo. If America was not involved Britan would of fell. China would been under Japan rule. Canada, Australia N.Africa all controlled by the Axis. The Axis would of controlled everything. The Soviets would of been toast.
America was not needed. The Soviet Union would have defeated Germany on their own.
edit: not to mention Germany and Japan were in the process of developing the bomb
Rwingett and Avalanche, thanks for kindly presenting two dramatically opposing viewpoints, and thanks Uther for the requisite trolling. All great threads have trolls.
Burros are excellent swimmers. You won't be talking smack when the Mexican Marines arrive on their amphibious burro cavalry!
Aren't there already burros in Spain?
Originally posted by AThousandYoungOooh, badly timed - Uther simultaneously contributing a superb explanation as to why the Soviets alone couldn't have upset global domination by the axis powers.
Rwingett and Avalanche, thanks for kindly presenting two dramatically opposing viewpoints, and thanks Uther for the requisite trolling. All great threads have trolls.
The one thing in this scenario about "no America" is that some European Power would of been here. Great Britan,France,Spain,somebody would have been here and developed it by the time of WW2.Therefore, one of theses empires in the Axis Powers sights would have been much larger. The only way for this scenario to work would be if America stayed "undiscovered" by Europe and that is highly unlikely.
(then there wouldnt of been a Canada either.)
Originally posted by utherpendragonI see no reason to believe that Britain would have fallen; they survived the most serious crisis in 1940 without American help. If Germany follows the same strategy, they eventually lose to the USSR though it would have taken longer.
No. If America was not involved Britan would of fell. China would been under Japan rule. Canada, Australia N.Africa all controlled by the Axis. The Axis would of controlled everything. The Soviets would of been toast.
edit: not to mention Germany and Japan were in the process of developing the bomb
The Japanese certainly have an easier time in the Pacific, but the majority of their ground troops were always occupied in China. I suspect a deal would be cut with them leaving them in control of Southeast Asia; then they get to have a Vietnam War.
Originally posted by no1marauderBritain would have surely fallen,eventually. As far as Japan getting to have a Vietnam War I think they would handled it much more efficiently than we did. No protesters,no "rules of engagement",and a lot of enthusiasm!
I see no reason to believe that Britain would have fallen; they survived the most serious crisis in 1940 without American help. If Germany follows the same strategy, they eventually lose to the USSR though it would have taken longer.
The Japanese certainly have an easier time in the Pacific, but the majority of their ground troops were ...[text shortened]... be cut with them leaving them in control of Southeast Asia; then they get to have a Vietnam War.