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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    25 Nov '13 09:26
    A few years back I watched a fascinating movie called A Beautiful Mind with Russell Crowe. It was about the life of John Nash, a math wiz from Princeton. This guy was a looney at times, no doubt, and even spent time in a mental instutition, nevertheless, some of his mathemetical work produced formulas that have helped labor and trade negotiations, and have been used in economic planning. Maybe nations need to do away with their present lawmakers, and let mathmeticians run our countries. Politics would be more boring, no doubt, but I bet things would run a lot smoother. Now, this isn't going to happen of course, but it's a nice thought!
  2. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    25 Nov '13 09:40
    Originally posted by bill718
    A few years back I watched a fascinating movie called A Beautiful Mind with Russell Crowe. It was about the life of John Nash, a math wiz from Princeton. This guy was a looney at times, no doubt, and even spent time in a mental instutition, nevertheless, some of his mathemetical work produced formulas that have helped labor and trade negotiations, and have b ...[text shortened]... ld run a lot smoother. Now, this isn't going to happen of course, but it's a nice thought!
    Bill look at what you just wrote,

    looney + labor negotitations,

    You see the connection?

    He was into game theory too, now trying to make that fit humans is some looney doodoo right there. One game involved a number of participants sitting in a circle, each round some tokens were added to a pot, at any time a participant could grab the pot and take the money, cutting out the other players. Or they could choose to let the pot keep growing each round. Of course adjusting the 'rewards' and 'punishments' gave different results, you could shape the game to get the results you were looking for. And the other aspect, the tokens representing wealth came for where? Who earned it, who produced it, probably taxpayer dollars, anyway this 'free' wealth is just another distortion, no wonder the guy went nutso.
  3. 25 Nov '13 12:33 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by bill718
    A few years back I watched a fascinating movie called A Beautiful Mind with Russell Crowe. It was about the life of John Nash, a math wiz from Princeton. This guy was a looney at times, no doubt, and even spent time in a mental instutition, nevertheless, some of his mathemetical work produced formulas that have helped labor and trade negotiations, and have b ...[text shortened]... ld run a lot smoother. Now, this isn't going to happen of course, but it's a nice thought!
    Economic planning?

    You have no idea what economics in the US is all about, do you? It is about extortion and bribery. The US federal government has a printing press in the Fed that throws money to the rich, the middle class, and the poor, as well as internationally. Their goal? Their goal is to get everyone on the doll, so that they have power and influence over them. In the interim, they build a military that is required for world conquest.

    The only way to go about this madness is through Keynesian voodoo economics. Just print money and hope that it will spurn enough of the economy to bring you more money. If not, who gives a damn, cause its all monopoly money anyway.

    To use any other approach would be to undermine their power over us and the world. Do you really think they will take that approach? We are not talking about beautiful minds here Bill, we are talking about fascists inflating our wealth away while they are not taxing it away.
  4. 25 Nov '13 12:52
    Originally posted by bill718
    A few years back I watched a fascinating movie called A Beautiful Mind with Russell Crowe. It was about the life of John Nash, a math wiz from Princeton. This guy was a looney at times, no doubt, and even spent time in a mental instutition, nevertheless, some of his mathemetical work produced formulas that have helped labor and trade negotiations, and have b ...[text shortened]... ld run a lot smoother. Now, this isn't going to happen of course, but it's a nice thought!
    I have always though businessmen would be better than lawyers. Lawyers are trained to lie. You take a mathematician, he can instantly weigh all decisions by the rules of the constitution. They like rules and follow them.
  5. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    25 Nov '13 12:56
    Originally posted by bill718
    A few years back I watched a fascinating movie called A Beautiful Mind with Russell Crowe. It was about the life of John Nash, a math wiz from Princeton. This guy was a looney at times, no doubt, and even spent time in a mental instutition, nevertheless, some of his mathemetical work produced formulas that have helped labor and trade negotiations, and have b ...[text shortened]... ld run a lot smoother. Now, this isn't going to happen of course, but it's a nice thought!
    That is so not a nice thought.
  6. 25 Nov '13 13:00
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    I have always though businessmen would be better than lawyers. Lawyers are trained to lie. You take a mathematician, he can instantly weigh all decisions by the rules of the constitution. They like rules and follow them.
    As with most people, the truth would destroy them, and it will someday.
  7. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    25 Nov '13 18:51 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    Economic planning?

    You have no idea what economics in the US is all about, do you? It is about extortion and bribery. The US federal government has a printing press in the Fed that throws money to the rich, the middle class, and the poor, as well as internationally. Their goal? Their goal is to get everyone on the doll, so that they have power and infl ...[text shortened]... Bill, we are talking about fascists inflating our wealth away while they are not taxing it away.
    I have no idea what economic planning is all about? Well, I have a BA degree in economics from the Univ. of Oregon, which means I know almost as much about the subject as you do! My little post was not meant to be taken seriously Mr. Whodey, Mr. Sleepyguy, and Mr. Joe Beyser, it was just a wimsical thought. Geezzz...a lot of hostility out there!
  8. 25 Nov '13 18:59
    Originally posted by bill718
    I have no idea what economic planning is all about? Well, I have a BA degree in economics from the Univ. of Oregon, which means I know almost as much about the subject as you do! My little post was not meant to be taken seriously Mr. Whodey, it was just a wimsical thought. Geezzz...a lot of hostility out there!
    Hostility is something you generally create when you have a regime that attempts to micromanage our lives.

    Obama and company are like that lady on the old sitcom "Bewitched" were you see the neighbor Mrs. Crabitz gazing out her windwow watching everything her neighbors do yelling "Abner, Abner!!", only, Obama has the power to do whatever he wills to us.
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    25 Nov '13 20:24
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Bill look at what you just wrote,

    looney + labor negotitations,

    You see the connection?

    He was into game theory too, now trying to make that fit humans is some looney doodoo right there. One game involved a number of participants sitting in a circle, each round some tokens were added to a pot, at any time a participant could grab the pot and take t ...[text shortened]... yer dollars, anyway this 'free' wealth is just another distortion, no wonder the guy went nutso.
    The government prints the dollars which is what the tokens represent.

    Render unto Caesar.
  10. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    25 Nov '13 20:41 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by bill718
    A few years back I watched a fascinating movie called A Beautiful Mind with Russell Crowe….
    Everyone sing along: "Making movies, making songs, 'n fight-in' round the world!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-DblXaqQMk
  11. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    25 Nov '13 20:44
    Originally posted by bill718
    Maybe nations need to do away with their present lawmakers, and let mathmeticians run our countries...
    Ooh, me likey that idea lots!
  12. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    25 Nov '13 21:37
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    Everyone sing along: "Making movies, making songs, 'n fight-in' round the world!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-DblXaqQMk
    http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104204/the-russell-crowe-show
  13. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    26 Nov '13 03:51
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104204/the-russell-crowe-show
    Ah, that just cracks me up every time!
  14. 26 Nov '13 04:08
    Originally posted by bill718
    A few years back I watched a fascinating movie called A Beautiful Mind with Russell Crowe. It was about the life of John Nash, a math wiz from Princeton. This guy was a looney at times, no doubt, and even spent time in a mental instutition, nevertheless, some of his mathemetical work produced formulas that have helped labor and trade negotiations, and have b ...[text shortened]... ld run a lot smoother. Now, this isn't going to happen of course, but it's a nice thought!
    "...let mathmeticians run our countries."
    --Bill718

    Would Henri Poincare (1854-1912) have been better than Raymond
    Poincare (1860-1934) at governing France? Would David Hilbert
    (1862-1943) have been better than Adolf Hitler (1889-1945) at running
    Germany? Emmy Noether (1882-1935) would have thought so.

    Personally, I think that Michael Atiyah would have been a better
    UK Prime Minister than Margaret Thatcher or Tony Blair.
  15. 26 Nov '13 04:33
    Originally posted by bill718
    I have no idea what economic planning is all about? Well, I have a BA degree in economics from the Univ. of Oregon, which means I know almost as much about the subject as you do! My little post was not meant to be taken seriously Mr. Whodey, Mr. Sleepyguy, and Mr. Joe Beyser, it was just a wimsical thought. Geezzz...a lot of hostility out there!
    Whodey doesn't know squat about economics. That does not mean that he isn't knowledgeable elsewhere.

    "Almost"? Don't let the "Dunning-Kruger effect" get you down. There are likely very few people on here who know as much economics as you do. But they will pontificate nonetheless.