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    Jimmy Dore interviews some republican delegates and asked them if they would consider a potential Trump presidency a success based on specific issues.

    Would it be successful if he cut the deficit in half?
    Would it be successful if he lowered unemployment to 5%?
    Would you call him decisive in the war on terror if he dropped 23000 bombs on muslim majority countries?


    by now you probably understand where this is going. These are all things that Obama DID. Yet he is considered a failure as a president.

    Dore concludes by saying "these are all good people. They want to help ". I agree, they most likely are good people. Yet they have no idea about anything other than what Fox news have told them.
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    22 Jul '16 13:26
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    Yet they have no idea about anything other than what Fox news have told them.
    Has
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    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZLGAl0tTt8

    Jimmy Dore interviews some republican delegates and asked them if they would consider a potential Trump presidency a success based on specific issues.

    Would it be successful if he cut the deficit in half?
    Would it be successful if he lowered unemployment to 5%?
    Would you call him decisive in the war on te ...[text shortened]... y are good people. Yet they have no idea about anything other than what Fox news have told them.
    What would a successful Hillary look like?

    1. Continuing to evade prosecution?
    2. Continue living above the law?
    3. When asked of her accomplishments just point to winning the office of President?
    4. Avoiding future scandals?
    5. More of the same hope and change?

    In the end, what does it really matter?
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    22 Jul '16 14:52
    Originally posted by whodey
    What would a successful Hillary look like?

    1. Continuing to evade prosecution?
    2. Continue living above the law?
    3. When asked of her accomplishments just point to winning the office of President?
    4. Avoiding future scandals?
    5. More of the same hope and change?

    In the end, what does it really matter?
    oh no, you missed the point.
    again.


    Shocking!
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    22 Jul '16 14:564 edits
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZLGAl0tTt8

    Jimmy Dore interviews some republican delegates and asked them if they would consider a potential Trump presidency a success based on specific issues.

    Would it be successful if he cut the deficit in half?
    Would it be successful if he lowered unemployment to 5%?
    Would you call him decisive in the war on te ...[text shortened]... y are good people. Yet they have no idea about anything other than what Fox news have told them.
    1. I don't trust the unemployment numbers. There are a variety of ways to mess with the numbers. For example, how many are working part time in those numbers? How many have simply stopped looking for work, etc.

    2. Cut the deficit in half? How has the national debt ballooned under Obama? How much did he raise it before lowering it? What about unfunded liabilities which is well over $100 trillion? Is a $19 trillion plus debt something to be proud of, etc.? "W" used to mess with these numbers by excluding the debt created by the war in Iraq.

    3. More bombs = better terror management? No, no it does not. Also of note, more money being thrown at education does not = better educational scores. Throwing more at something does not necessarily make it better, a hard concept I know.

    Next.
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    22 Jul '16 15:03
    Originally posted by whodey
    1. I don't trust the unemployment numbers. There are a variety of ways to mess with the numbers. For example, how many are working part time in those numbers? How many have simply stopped looking for work, etc.

    2. Cut the deficit in half? How has the national debt ballooned under Obama? How much did he raise it before lowering it? What about unfund ...[text shortened]... Throwing more at something does not necessarily make it better, a hard concept I know.

    Next.
    oh no, you missed the point.
    again AND again


    Shocking!
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    22 Jul '16 20:16
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    oh no, you missed the point.
    again AND again


    Shocking!
    Not so shocking, really.

    All the political right has is Fear. Oh, yeah, and lies.

    Making the population afraid so that you can ride in on your white horse and lead them by the nose further down the road you want them to go down... That's been their strategy since Nixon. Reagan turned it into an art form.
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Not so shocking, really.

    All the political right has is Fear. Oh, yeah, and lies.

    Making the population afraid so that you can ride in on your white horse and lead them by the nose further down the road you want them to go down... That's been their strategy since Nixon. Reagan turned it into an art form.
    Ah, the delightful state of nirvana for those who are no longer attached to reality.
    If Reagan hadn't forced Russia into bankruptcy in a failed attempt to compete with a non-existent Star Wars defense system, they would have won the Cold War.
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    23 Jul '16 02:13
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Ah, the delightful state of nirvana for those who are no longer attached to reality.
    If Reagan hadn't forced Russia into bankruptcy in a failed attempt to compete with a non-existent Star Wars defense system, they would have won the Cold War.
    Reagan didn't "win" the Cold War. The Russian economy tanked. And then all the Republicans took the 'credit'.
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    23 Jul '16 02:25
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Reagan didn't "win" the Cold War. The Russian economy tanked. And then all the Republicans took the 'credit'.
    They freaking tanked in their effort, their frantic effort, to keep up with something which didn't exist.

    Now, imagine that last sentence in full caps and emboldened.
    Get your paranoid, delusional mind around the fact that Reagan's administration brought down its biggest threat with a pipe dream.
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    23 Jul '16 08:21
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    They freaking tanked in their effort, their frantic effort, to keep up with something which didn't exist.

    Now, imagine that last sentence in full caps and emboldened.
    Get your paranoid, delusional mind around the fact that Reagan's administration brought down its biggest threat with a pipe dream.
    "They freaking tanked in their effort, their frantic effort, to keep up with something which didn't exist. "
    yeh, their economies were equal right up to that point.
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    23 Jul '16 13:46
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "They freaking tanked in their effort, their frantic effort, to keep up with something which didn't exist. "
    yeh, their economies were equal right up to that point.
    Their economy was their weakness, their military was not.
    Reagan's administration knew their economy could not withstand the effort, and since they were otherwise even with us on the military side, we devised a plan which Incorporated a non-existent phantom for them to chase... and in so doing, brought their collapse.
    We knew it was already shaky and bound to collapse; threatening with this bogeyman became the final straw.
    It was a stroke of genius, truly.
    Had it been a Democrat who was at the helm, there'd be statues in every town square.
    And I really wouldn't mind their presence, either: it was a tactically brilliant move, executed perfectly.
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