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    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/democrats-seek-to-undo-trump-ban-on-foreign-abortion-funding-with-budget-bi


    WASHINGTON, D.C., January 3, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Democrats wasted no time asserting their priorities upon taking over the U.S. House of Representatives this week, proposing legislation to fund the federal government which would at the same time reverse one of President Donald Trump’s earliest pro-life accomplishments.

    The federal government has been partially shut down since Trump, facing pressure from conservatives, decided at the last minute in December to reject a government funding bill that didn’t include $5 billion to begin constructing the southern border wall he campaigned on. While the media is filled with distress over the shutdown and uncertainty over whether Democrats or Republicans will blink first, most of the government was already funded and remains in operation.

    Following her return to the office of House Speaker Thursday, Democrat leader Nancy Pelosi announced that her party would be “offering the Senate Republican Appropriations [Committee] legislation to reopen the government later today,” Fox News reports. The proposal would fund the Department of Homeland Security until February 8 and other federal departments until the end of September.

    The bill has been a political non-starter because it lacks wall funding, however, and pro-lifers are warning that it would also repeal the Mexico City Policy (now called Protecting Life in Global Health Assistance) that Trump reinstated shortly after taking office and later expanded. That would make foreign entities that commit or promote abortions once again eligible for foreign aid.

    The plan would also give $37.5 million to the United Nations Population Fund, from which Trump withdrew in 2017 over its participation in China’s forced abortion regime.

    “This move shows the House Democrats are so radically pro-abortion that they are more concerned with pushing their abortion agenda on the American people than finding common ground to end the government shutdown,” Live Action president Lila Rose responded. While Trump and Senate Republicans “failed last session to pass a law preventing the American taxpayer from funding Planned Parenthood,” they “now have a duty to stand firm and block such outrageous attempts to have the American taxpayer fund and promote abortion programs across the globe.”

    “News that abortion is the leading cause of death worldwide is a tragedy of international proportions, but asking U.S. taxpayers to pay for it is an offensive misuse of scarce resources,” Students for Life of America president Kristan Hawkins said. “Taxpayers have had enough of the abortion industry’s vision of abortion as the United States’ number one export. As a bipartisan matter, we should help women and children at home and abroad, without making ending life the goal of U.S. policy.”

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has already rejected the proposal as a “political sideshow,” declaring that the Senate “will not waste its time considering a Democratic bill which cannot pass this chamber and which the president will not sign.”

    How the shutdown standoff will end remains unclear. Conservative pundit Ann Coulter, who was one of Trump’s earliest and most passionate supporters, predicted this week the president “will fold in the end,” though others argue he can satisfy supporters by funding the wall through other revenue sources not reliant on Congress.

    In July 2017, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) suggested the federal funding that goes to Planned Parenthood be directed to the border wall instead.

    As for abortion policy under the new Congress, pro-lifers are largely resigned to two more years without direct legislation to defund Planned Parenthood or otherwise restrict abortion, though they remain optimistic that Trump will continue to find incremental steps for life via executive action, and hope Republicans’ expanded Senate majority will enable the confirmation of judges with clear pro-life credentials.

    Democrat opposition to Pelosi’s re-election as speaker falls flat

    Pelosi is a self-declared “Catholic” with a 100 percent pro-abortion voting record, who has said that promoting “diversity” among Capitol Hill staff will be one of her priorities in the new Congress. On multiple occasions, however, she has also displayed the political acumen to deemphasize left-wing causes like abortion for the sake of winning over Americans on economic or healthcare grounds.

    After the November midterms, the New York Times revealed that Pelosi helped Democrats return to power in part by counseling “restraint” against fighting over things like Planned Parenthood in favor of a focused message on more mainstream concerns. “Those things are in our DNA, but they are not in our talking points,” she reportedly said on multiple occasions.

    In April, she defended her support of “pro-life” Democrats like Illinois Rep. Dan Lipinski on the grounds that his election would count toward a “pro-choice gavel when we win the Congress,” and during the campaign downplayed Democrat calls to impeach President Donald Trump. Conservatives suspect such assurances were merely meant to hide Democrats’ true intentions so as not to provoke GOP voter turnout.

    The Hill reports that 15 House Democrats, most of whom were just elected, opposed Pelosi’s re-election as speaker, though they didn’t agree on a single alternative and their ranks were far short of the “dozens” who had previously distanced themselves from her.

    “On day one of the new Congress, Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats are already trying to foist a radical pro-abortion agenda on the nation,” Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser said. “The House’s spending bill would...[make] taxpayers complicit in the exportation of abortion and destruction of countless unborn children around the world. This is unconscionable and we oppose the bill in the strongest terms.”
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    04 Jan '19 17:18
    @whodey

    How did they hide this? In a microdot? Won’t anyone who reads it, see it?
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    @whodey said
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/democrats-seek-to-undo-trump-ban-on-foreign-abortion-funding-with-budget-bi


    WASHINGTON, D.C., January 3, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Democrats wasted no time asserting their priorities upon taking over the U.S. House of Representatives this week, proposing legislation to fund the federal government which would at the same time reverse one of Pr ...[text shortened]... rn children around the world. This is unconscionable and we oppose the bill in the strongest terms.”
    This move shows the House Democrats are so radically pro-abortion...



    Earth to Whodey - Young women don't wake up and say "oh boy, I sure hope I get to have my abortion today!! 😀) Many have to choose between feeding themselves or their unborn kid. In a country where a minimum wage job means you'll probably be living in your car, this happens often. No one is "pro-abortion" Whodey. You are so out of touch.
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    04 Jan '19 21:32
    @mchill said
    This move shows the House Democrats are so radically pro-abortion...



    Earth to Whodey - Young women don't wake up and say "oh boy, I sure hope I get to have my abortion today!! 😀) Many have to choose between feeding themselves or their unborn kid. In a country where a minimum wage job means you'll probably be living in your car, this happens often. No one is "pro-abortion" Whodey. You are so out of touch.
    A worthy reminder of the use of terminology as an attempt to manipulate opinion.
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    04 Jan '19 23:011 edit
    @mchill said
    This move shows the House Democrats are so radically pro-abortion...

    Earth to Whodey - Young women don't wake up and say "oh boy, I sure hope I get to have my abortion today!! 😀) Many have to choose between feeding themselves or their unborn kid. In a country where a minimum wage job means you'll probably be living in your car, this happens often. No one is "pro-abortion" Whodey. You are so out of touch.
    (Mchill replied to Whodey.)

    "No one is 'pro-abortion'."
    --Mchill

    A woman or girl should not have to claim financial hardship to justify having an abortion.
    Abortion should not be stigmatized more than any other legal medical procedure.
    The only 'justification' that one usually needs for an abortion is her choice not to become a mother.
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    05 Jan '19 11:591 edit
    @whodey said
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/democrats-seek-to-undo-trump-ban-on-foreign-abortion-funding-with-budget-bi


    WASHINGTON, D.C., January 3, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Democrats wasted no time asserting their priorities upon taking over the U.S. House of Representatives this week, proposing legislation to fund the federal government which would at the same time reverse one of Pr ...[text shortened]... rn children around the world. This is unconscionable and we oppose the bill in the strongest terms.”
    Are you a Catholic, whodey?

    Then why wouldn't you favor making contraception available to every single female of childbearing age?

    This would result in the abortion rate plummeting. That's what you want, isn't it?

    Or IS it?
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    @whodey said
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/democrats-seek-to-undo-trump-ban-on-foreign-abortion-funding-with-budget-bi


    WASHINGTON, D.C., January 3, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Democrats wasted no time asserting their priorities upon taking over the U.S. House of Representatives this week, proposing legislation to fund the federal government which would at the same time reverse one of Pr ...[text shortened]... rn children around the world. This is unconscionable and we oppose the bill in the strongest terms.”
    Incredibly, anti-abortionists zealots like whodey are willing to shutdown the entire US Government which spends close to $4 trillion annually over a mere increase in funding to the UN Population Fund of $5 million (according to right wing site the Daily Caller it already receives $32.5 million a year from the US government): https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/03/house-democrats-third-world-abortions-spending-bill-shutdown/

    And that is so even though UNFPA's website states this regarding its goal of aiding family planning:

    Family planning is the information, means and methods that allow individuals to decide if and when to have children. This includes a wide range of contraceptives – including pills, implants, intrauterine devices, surgical procedures that limit fertility, and barrier methods such as condoms – as well as non-invasive methods such as the calendar method and abstinence. Family planning also includes information about how to become pregnant when it is desirable, as well as treatment of infertility.

    UNFPA supports many aspects of voluntary family planning, including procuring contraceptives, training health professionals to accurately and sensitively counsel individuals about their family planning options, and promoting comprehensive sexuality education in schools. UNFPA never promotes abortion as a form of family planning.

    https://www.unfpa.org/family-planning
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    @no1marauder said
    Incredibly, anti-abortionists zealots like whodey are willing to shutdown the entire US Government which spends close to $4 trillion annually over a mere increase in funding to the UN Population Fund of $5 million (according to right wing site the Daily Caller it already receives $32.5 million a year from the US government): https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/03/house ...[text shortened]... A never promotes abortion as a form of family planning.[/b]

    https://www.unfpa.org/family-planning
    I can hear it now: "Contraception is bad because it promotes recreational sex, and we can't condone that!!!" #DisconnectFromReality
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    05 Jan '19 17:104 edits
    Not all aspects of the anti-contraception case are irrational, as most definitely are the death threats, nuclear options like shutting down governments, and satisfaction of puritanical motivations.

    Some contraceptive methods do not prevent conception, instead they prevent implantation. They make the uterine wall inhospitable to the fertilized ovum, and it exits the body. If the premise is that a human being begins to exist at conception and has the same right to life as a newborn human, and one function of the state is to protect its people’s rights, the logic says to respect its rights from conception onward.

    Unfortunately, to date, nobody can identify the moment of conception. The standard pregnancy test depends on detection of a hormone that is secreted after implantation, which can be hours or days after conception, which can itself be hours or days after intercourse, but basing the moment that human life begins on our analytical capability to detect a hormone is no more rational than basing it on a prior event that isn’t, so far, detectable as to when it has occurred. It may well be argued that our first detectable act is causing some such event. Whether we have some right henceforth due to its occurrence is also arguable.

    It seems to me that there is progress available if we can agree that technical difficulties exist and it’s not all about our emotions.
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    Considering how retarded most republicants sound, I think the more abortions in the US, the better.
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    @suzianne said
    Are you a Catholic, whodey?

    Then why wouldn't you favor making contraception available to every single female of childbearing age?

    This would result in the abortion rate plummeting. That's what you want, isn't it?

    Or IS it?
    Nope he’s a typical Protestant zealot

    http://endtimepilgrim.org/puritans14.htm
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    @athousandyoung said
    Nope he’s a typical Protestant zealot

    http://endtimepilgrim.org/puritans14.htm
    My post assumed he wasn't Catholic.

    But yeah.
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    @athousandyoung said
    Nope he’s a typical Protestant zealot

    http://endtimepilgrim.org/puritans14.htm
    Sounds like the aborted ZEFs get a good deal; they get into Heaven and eternal salvation without the bother and pain of human existence on Earth:

    And what about the lives of those who died?
    Are these unborn babies lost forever?
    Are they hanging in limbo, as one medieval religion continues to teach?

    Not at all. And we can be comforted here. We need not be concerned about their eternal welfare. Because God will reach out and bring the souls of these little ones into His care. We know this for an absolute certainty.
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    @suzianne said
    My post assumed he wasn't Catholic.

    But yeah.
    Your post implied Protestants were more reasonable than Catholics about these issues. And sometimes they are. But I feel a need to remind people that some Protestants are even worse than Catholics about such things.
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